504. - Liz Phair

All right, this episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Stateside with Kai and Carter, a new podcast from The Guardian. And they are using this podcast to slow down the news and wrestle with the questions that we all have about what's happening in the world. And they do it three times a week, Jason. Does that sound familiar to you? We don't really talk about, you know, a lot of international global news items and climates and cultures and sports and things like that. We do talk about fashion and wellness, but for everything else, Kai and Carter are a great place. All right, so who couldn't use more news? Listen wherever you get your podcast. or watch on YouTube. How long gone? This is not a joke. I just touched down, landed at LAX at 10 a.m., made it to Glendale by 10.30. Wow. Nice pour over ready for me. And now we're ready to get into this motherfucking podcast on the Lord's Day. Happy Father's Day to all the dads out there. But let's, Jason, let's dig into what a dad is. First of all, dog dad is not real. Okay. But dad. What's up, you guys? Them jeans here. Happy Juneteenth. Dad is your father, right? Like my dad is Gary L. Black. Your dad is kind of an unknown quantity. Unknown entity with unknown quantities. I'm not going to post. You can't post your husband and your new child. That's not your dad. That's a dad. Okay. That's not your dad. This is a fine hair you split, but I like where your head is at. I mean, my argument for everything is everyone just needs an excuse to post something on social media. Ice cream day, pizza day, taco day, yummy, yummy. I think that once you get a child with your husband, you can celebrate Father's Day with that person. You can celebrate it with them. You can take them out to lunch. You can do all that stuff that he provides for your family. You can't hit on grid. You don't need to put it on the internet. Look, I see a lot of chicks I know. They got these hot husbands. Look, I want to see Alex Olson with his shirt off with a baby just as much as the next guy.

Get in line, ladies. The rules have been broken, and I think social media has caused us so many problems in a society. We need to kind of get back on course. In fact, I would advocate no posting at all because if your parents use social media, they're losers. Yeah, because the type of Twitter that I hang out on, G-A-Y, it's for all of us to see photos of your hot, hairy-chested dad in 1984. or whatever it is, however old your daddy was at his hottest, it's for us to take a peep at that back when men were men. When men were men. Before vaccines ruined. Exactly. Before everyone was autistic and had blue hair. Exactly. But now we all just need an excuse to post anything and everything. It's another reason to post. We need a prompt. But Father's Day is a classic holiday, and I just think that we could, you know, I think maybe taking your dad to his nice steakhouse. getting him a glass of whiskey, maybe a Budweiser, Bud Heavy. Not no light shit. Not no light shit. And really talking about what it's like to be a man. That's how you celebrate Father's Day. Shooting some guns, riding some four-wheelers. If you hunt, do whatever you've got to do. Go to church. Get nine holes in, shit. But I'll tell you what, taking your dad over to Courage Bagels, that ain't how it was intended. That am what we're supposed to do. Take a photo with Elliot on your shoulders as you wait in line at Courage. That's exactly what – that's all social media is. Are you guys all out of the cream – the cashew cream? Elliot likes that one. It's also – I love this because I'm a part of this problem as well. But like a Father's Day gift guide type thing and I see it and I'm like – So you're telling me that I should get my dad a Missoni blanket. That's what you think I should get my dad? Let's be real, guys. How many gay dads are there? There's only so many. I just don't. I see these gift guides. Even gay people are too manly to use a blanket. My dad would be like, don't give me a gift, you nerd. No, leave me alone. Get that mess out of here. Most dads just want to be left alone. Yeah. My parents are on vacation right now.

So happy Father's Day, Gary. You're a great dad, and I'm very glad I didn't get my height from you. And I don't even want to call him because I'm like, that's going to annoy him because he's at the beach hanging out. You're going to call him and say, happy Father's Day, and he's going to say, stop capping on me, son. I mean, he doesn't answer his cell phone on the weekends, really, because if it's not work-related, he doesn't care. Even if it's his one baby boy. Maybe. I mean, I can't even really text him because he doesn't respond well to that. So you call him on a Sunday. Even if it is Father's Day, he's going to be like, oh, what is it, boy? Do I need to bail you out of jail again? What's going on? What have you gotten yourself into this time? I'm not loaning you any more money. No, I'll call him later. I told you we can't extend with the IRS any further. It's as many as we can push. Look, I've talked to him. I've called him. I've emailed. Yeah, I'll give him a call later, but I just don't. Father's Day for me is a good time to learn of all the people who are the types. of mommies to post their cool 32-year-old hot husband who still skates a little bit on the weekends, still keeps it together, et cetera. All those fellas who may be not in the picture a ton, and then the silence is deafening with the lack of da-da posts. Yeah, I mean, I'm... Look, it's all telling, and having a child is obviously a huge mistake, and people are going to continue to do it, even younger and younger, older and older. It's not slowing down. I feel like people are constantly searching for meaning, and they think that having a child and being fiscally and physically responsible for that child for 18 years will solve their problems. But I'm just here to say, maybe if you stopped drinking, you worked out a little more, you would need to have a kid. Damn, okay, straight edge. I'm just saying. Maybe if you made a little more money, you wouldn't need to have a kid. You'd get your happiness from something that's much more shallow. Yeah, that's the thing that I learned. When we were in Lake Como, there was a family there getting married. It was probably the worst. It was the only other couple that was clearly from L.A. or a rich part of New York. Are you saying that because it was a white guy, an Asian woman? A Jewish guy and then maybe kind of a mixed Latinx. Oh, that sounds New York.

I guess it could be gooey either way. They had three kids, and each kid had their own nanny. Yeah. That's the only way to have kids. You have to be that rich so that it doesn't change your lifestyle at all. Each kid had their own color corresponding. ipad that matches their plateware that matches their fork and they can't use any of the forks that they're eating they're eating the 40 catcher pepe at villa deste out of the out of the plastic bowl from home from amazon yeah while they're watching you know an ipad of like a a woman being like hey how are you you know like damn it was it was fucked and the whole entire restaurant of european people are looking at them like You people are a disgrace. You people have ruined my brunch. I mean, the amount of brunches that have been ruined by children, it's insurmountable. I can't count that high. Yeah. That's why I kind of stay home. That's why I avoid courage. But all that is to say, it's more than just throwing money at the problem because you can do that, but then you will be gazed upon by the eyes of everyone else, your peers, as an inferior parent, a fucking pussy-ass parent doing it the wrong way. There's no win. You throw a white passing on top of it? Oh, brother. There's no win unless your child becomes rich and famous and can support you in your twilight years. That's the only upside. Truly is. And I think that was the only reason why people kind of procreated during, you know. centuries of human existence on this world you know how excited my parents would be if i would have gotten into the mickey mouse club you know things would have been different for us meaning like literally or is that like one of your slangs for something else no no we didn't i didn't try out a gold star like you only did mouth because of our because of our age you know i could have been yeah timberlake i could have been shoulder to shoulder with gauze yeah i could have been up there singing and dancing i could have gotten my drug addiction i have the chops i mean Timberlake can sing, I guess, but like he can't really dance as well as I can. Hey, you're like the can of podcasting. If that makes you feel like. Oh, it feels good to be back in L.A., Jason, even though it's overcast.

New York has run me raw. I'm feeling... Was it that Jacquemus dinner? The last domino to fall? I didn't get an invite to the cursed Jacquemus. That's why all y'all were hating on Twitter. You didn't get the invite. Can't get in. I didn't hate on the dinner. I was talking about you. There could have been a better place to do that. And I think also eating outside in New York is disgusting. Roaches and rats. Unless you're at... At Fort Charles in the air-conditioned ADU. I'm not eating on a curb. Slice my hamburger for me. Yeah, I'm not doing it. And I just think it's – I think that should have been flagged as maybe – first of all, the Giacomoose-Nanke collaboration is so bad. Yeah. And it gets worse. And I don't know this to be – I don't think – What do you mean it gets worse? Like as more of the collection reveals itself, it gets worse? It's just not – he – I understand why it happened because he was really hot. probably four years ago when they signed the deal. Those Nike gears move slowly. It's just not good product. In a good way. We love our Nike family. Nike's the greatest brand in the world. That's why I'm so hard on them. It takes a long time to turn a big old boat around. No, but I think it was COVID. I think it's like, all right, COVID happens and it's this. And Giacomoose is a master of marketing, but I think the product... when it's like sexy dresses for 800, that's his zone. I think like sneakers, I think he like has, I just don't. I can't wear that shit on the resort. Even on the tennis court is boo-boo. I just don't think he's the guy for it. I just don't think he's the guy for it. But, you know. When you say for it, you mean collaborating with Nike? I don't think of Giacomoose as a guy who can make an athletic leaning sneaker. I think he's touched by God. Him and his husband are very good looking and probably don't have to do much to get that. Those lats kind of were built, given to him. He has a Nepo body. Yeah, he has a Nepo body. But I just don't think he's... He's definitely one of those guys that works out in Chuck Taylors. He would never wear some goofy-ass sneakers. And that's what's cool about him. Those guys at that level are so committed to being like, I live like this. This is it. You have to live like this. But I don't think we need it. That's the problem. I just don't think we need it.

The market for those two things crossing over. What Giacomoose is, how I describe his brand at this stage, is kind of like a more expensive reformation. It's like hot girls like it. It's one of the meanest things I've ever heard. No, no, no, it's not me. It's good business. It's like a price point dress. that is like sexy and i can wear it to a wedding or like a special thing or i could wear it out with the girlies there's a little cut out i can show you my under titty rihanna tattoo whatever it may be seven or eight hundred dollars instead of three hundred or four hundred dollars so it makes it appeal to i'm just a little bit better than yours a different person exactly i think that's but it's more obviously his marketing is better etc but i i think i mean reformation was very successful for a reason it was because like still is yeah it's marketing it's not i mean the product a longer line than the rice pudding spot but yeah it's it's a it's a sad day to eat outside in dime square even though they've turned into little europe and you can eat little europe that's what they call it little europe you can eat your you can eat your lady oysters in a nice piece of gravel in front it's crazy over there it really is like nine orchard is so beautiful but like the thought of like my parents staying in dime square is like i can't do that to them like that's the that's the night it's probably the nicest new hotel in new york it's amazing oh yeah but like what's 709 at least but you got to be under you got to be under 40 to stay there yeah you know it's just it's just a meal that's it he's the only one who stays I live here now. Fuck this, man. I'm moving in. No, Mule got a beautiful new apartment, actually. I haven't been yet. Is it finally done with the Riemann? Yeah, I haven't been yet. Damn, okay. Tapping in in a month when we go to the Carlisle. Yeah. Tickets are available. No, I'm just kidding. Yeah, the Carlisle thing, you know, I really appreciate you guys thinking we're like monster idiots for doing that, but you have to understand kind of how business works. And this was brought to us as an opportunity to...

perform at one of the most iconic venues in New York City. I wasn't really worried about selling tickets to that. That's not really my – obviously, obviously, we are coming back and doing shows in New York and L.A. this fall. Obviously, we're doing that. Those have been booked for months, and we will announce them on the time. Well, it's not obvious to anyone but us. But I just mean I wouldn't do that. We love New York. We love to sell tickets in New York. I want everybody to come enjoy the show, obviously. This just isn't that kind of opportunity. It's a small room. You go to In-N-Out. We're obviously going to have a cheeseburger. It's just obvious, you guys. Exactly, exactly. But we will be back in New York in the fall, and we're very excited about the Carlisle, and I'm glad that we can do something like that uptown. We don't make it up there very often. So I'm hoping Jason can kind of behave. How far up is it? It's like in the 70s, I think. It's close to the park, right? Yeah, it's like 70. I can't remember, actually. I can't remember. Last time I went there was for Hamilton, and it's sick. For Ham. Forgot you went to Hamilton. Hamilton Leithhauser, not Hamilton the Musical. Actually, I was talking about this with... Who was I talking about Broadway with? People who are involved... Oh, with the Bear guys. And they're just like... Josh Sr., one of the producers, was explaining to me how Broadway works and how you make money. And it's just insane. It's insane. If we were... Just tell me how Broadway works. Broadway. I'm saying if you and I were to be like, all right, we're going to do How Long Gone on Broadway, we would link up with the producer. The producer has to rent the theater. The producer has to pay to rent the venue. Some union shit. For six months. Big time union shit. And that's why you've got to do eight shows and two on Sundays. And the advertising, all the advertising, it's just really – I had no idea how crazy it was. It's like how the Olympics are, where it's like whoever controls it is very controlling. It has to be done in a certain way. And that certain way also involves an exchange of a fuck ton of money. It's so much. I didn't realize. And it's the only way to do Broadway only. What Josh was explaining to me, which also makes so much sense, is he's like, there's one street.

called broadway there's there's there's x amount of theaters that can be broadway like that's it there's only so many so if they're rented you gotta wait you gotta pay more whatever it is like you can't just otherwise there's a scarcity which no tourist wants to see off broadway Yeah, I mean, it's funny when you're saying there's only one Broadway, and I'm thinking about the one in L.A. where it's like there's only so many tents on the sidewalk that you can fit on Broadway. There's only one place you can step over human feces to purchase some Aesop soap, and it's Broadway downtown Los Angeles. Yeah, I walk into the Aesop store and I'm like, do you guys have anything to get this blue talkie dust off of my hands? Somebody just walked past me and I got tuckied up. Do you guys have any... I have like a wound. It's kind of open. If you guys have anything for that, that'd be really helpful. You got a little light urge. You guys kind of look like a Hige hospital here. God, that's so funny, dude. We were talking to our friend Yeo a couple days ago and he was mentioning the Easton Gym having urinals that had a mirror. Yeah. Kind of like when you go see the Grateful Dead play and they have a screen over the drummer so you can see all the things, you know. So the fellas can take a peek, and then you mentioned that upstairs there's a separate bathroom for straight guys. Yeah, well, I have never gone into the locker room at Easton because I don't shower at the gym because I'm an adult, and I like to have all my nice stuff at home. I just showered at the gym. You love showering. Because I'm just a kid at heart, y'all. No, I just don't. Honestly, no. If I had to, I would, obviously, but I am lucky enough that I just go home. There is a single stall, but you said for pride to kind of help celebrate. We're balls deep in pride right now. So for pride, I should go use the locker room at Easton and let the fellas have a peek. I was saying that, yeah, the straights only bathroom, they should close that off for pride. No, not for pride. We're doing maintenance, scheduled maintenance. No, no, no. You want to make it obvious.

Yeah, you don't want the doggy to shit on the carpet again. You got to rub their nose in it. Okay, okay. Teach them a lesson and be like, hey, if you want to be a member of Easton Gym, a gym that's like, it's not a gay gym, but it's not not. If you want to be able to hang here, it's sort of like you're on our turf a little bit. Play a little ball. At least during Pride, let us be able to look at your dick while you pee. All we ask. That's all we ask. This is my WGA strike. It's only one month a year. Actually, that's what I was going to say. I'm kind of worried. Boy, is it a long June. I'm worried about going back this week because of the strike. I feel like there's not going to be a machine left because nobody's got to work. Oh, that's right. I'm worried that all the actors, all the producers, all the directors, all the grips, the best boys. I was talking to my brother about this a couple days ago, and he was saying certain restaurants in L.A. have been hit pretty hard in terms of business going down for industry joints. I'm sure JAR is probably taking a little bit of a hit right now because all these people who go to these industry insider restaurants, they're at Chipotle pinching their pennies because we're on strike. Isn't that crazy? Thank God for us because the podcast industry, there's been some rumblings lately. Oh, I didn't know that. What kind of rumblings? More layoffs at Spotify? Spotify is laying people off. Anchor's gone. Bill Simmons is coming at these fucking losers. These royal losers. He's coming at Prince Harry and Meghan Markle because they just got dropped from their Spotify deal for basically not... turning any work in to, you know, it's, it's the same thing as if you, you sign a record deal and you just never turn in the record, you're going to have to give the advance back. You know, I actually saw a great story today about Lord staying at the park high in New York during the entire.

of her like first album and her not realizing how expensive it was and her being like yeah i kind of spent like the whole advance of the park hyatt in new york i just lived there i'm like that's the coolest possible way to blow it that's so great way to blow it i feel like that's a managerial call out that wouldn't i i feel like i feel like things are going so well at that stage you're probably like sure whatever you want babe you know don't want to rush the genius but so i think i think that the all of these big dogs getting their podcast taketh away is only good for us middle class podcasters us You know, the non celebrity hosted. Yeah, I did. I did. Finally, I'm sure you guys have had time. I haven't. Have you watched it? I haven't watched the John Early special yet. I'm going to do that tonight because it's out. It's out right now. He can't promote it. We can. John Early special HBO Max. Go watch it. One of the greats. He wears leather pants. A man after my own heart. Love my team over there. Love. Love all those guys over at Max. But, you know, I think you guys have probably had a chance to watch the smart list. thing that jason had teased and i finally watched it in a moment of weakness because i will also i want to recommend summer house martha's vineyard it's the black summer house even better than the white one um but the the smartless special is it truly is the first 20 minutes where they're kind of getting on the pj to fly to dc for their gig it it is it hit too close to home it was stat it was literally jason and i with money and a gay friend it's like me and jason and andrews is on the plane with us that's literally what it felt like if andrews wasn't funny but yeah if andrews wasn't funnier than us andrews pulls a little more weight than that but i was just like damn this is i'm i am jason bateman and i'm talking about my diet and jason is will arnett who's like hung over and drives up in the Porsche and is like stop being a pussy i'm like this is literally us but these guys are so rich

I still haven't listened to the podcast, but the question that we've debated here at How Long Gone Headquarters, which means on text message, is are they breaking even, losing money, or making money when they're flying private to play small theaters? Like Thousand Caps, maybe at the most. Or do you think they were like, we're going to take this money, we're going to sell this to HBO, so we're going to put that money in our pockets. That's where we make the money. We'll break even on this and this will be fun for us. Or do you think these guys fight the way we find it fun? Do you think they find it fun? Or do you think they're like, this is just another thing we got to do? Well, I think since they already have several millions and millions of dollars before they even got the Amazon deal, which made tens of millions and millions of dollars. I think they got 80 to 100 from Amazon. Right. And they already had millions before. Like, what's his name? Sean Hayes. The gay one. Like, he was making. crazy TV residual money back when you really could. He already had so much money. They're all super paid. I sort of think Will Arnett listens to How Long Gone. This is a bat signal sending out to you, Will. This is a classic Jason conspiracy theory. Why do you think celebrity podcaster, actor, producer, ex-husband of Amy Poehler listens to How Long Gone? It's a feeling, baby. It's a gut thing for you. Well, because I listen to a lot of podcasts. Sure. And I edit a lot of our podcasts. Not a lot, Jason. All, actually. It's funny. So I have a built-in database. My little kind of stony computer is always cooking. And I'll hear little things in some podcasts that will be references to the way that we talk. Okay. And I've heard Will. Mention a few little kind of hidden Easter eggs that are signaling to me. Did Will call Sean Hayes a stick man? I don't have any examples at all. No, I understand. You just feel it. I get it. I don't think that's out of the question. I don't think it's out of the question. I don't think it's out of the question. Will Arnett is cool. He seems to be tapped into the street. Love Will Arnett. He's hilarious. I guess him and Bateman go way back, and they've had a production company together and stuff. Yeah. So I feel like they birthed this, and they were like, we need a gay guy.

Yeah, it's all smart. It's all there. It's perfect. I mean, it is just if we had access to, you know, ladies and gentlemen, Kevin Hart and Will Ferrell and... But I just find that to be... I find that to be like... But they worked hard to get in that position. Absolutely. Oh, totally. But I also just don't think there's... That doesn't sound... I have to be honest with you. It doesn't sound as fun to me. No, it's not. But the thing is... if it was just the three of them bullshitting each other, busting each other's balls, like, once a week, just do that, and then the other one you can do fucking... Yeah, Jennifer Aniston Returns. Yeah, whoever it is, or whoever that, like, that person's doing, you know, Bill Hader or President Joe Biden, whoever it is. And it's a cool idea. It's a good idea. But if it was just them busting each other's balls, that's what people really want to hear. Well, I think the idea of... Yeah, but I also think the idea of, like... not A-list celebrities, but major, major, well-known. Those guys have both, all three of those guys have been in our lives for 20 years, in some regard, if not longer. So hearing those guys bust each other's balls in an authentic way would be absolute gold. As soon as you bring in an A-list celebrity, I don't care how good of friends you are, they know how to behave. They're not lifting the lid off. It's true. They're too smart. And that's what I'm saying. I think it would be like... And they know how big it is. I'm not just doing my friend's little podcast. That's why where we're at is satisfying to me because people will still let it spray. And also are like, I know people listen to this, but I don't care that much. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? I'll take my licks if I get them. Yeah, it's not the end of the world. But I had to turn it off. Thank God for Summer House Martha's Vineyard. It was an odd glimpse. It was like the Ghost of Christmas future kind of vibe. I was just like, damn, these guys are really, this is exactly what we want to be doing. I didn't watch any of the, because it goes into performance, I'm sure, right? Yeah, it's like half of the episode is them traveling and their little idiosynchronicities and their fun esoteric lifestyles, and then they go on stage.

And, you know, ladies and gentlemen, blah, blah, blah, blah. Do you think they're rehearsing or writing anything or do you think it's – I don't think so, no. Do you think it's like straight up like live podcast? It is a general or a genuine surprise when they bring their surprise guest on. Like one person knows and the other people truly don't know until it's revealed. Which is – it kind of has to happen that way. But then when it is that way, you have to just kind of – riff and be like, remember that one time when you were in The Hangover? That was so dope. Well, the thing with them too is it's not like they need help selling tickets. They don't need an opening act. They don't need a big guest. It doesn't matter. Yeah, I think if it's a thousand cap room and they're selling out and they're probably doing a Q&A or a meet and greet thingy afterwards, I don't see it being possible for them to make more than $100,000 per show. And I'm sure they're bringing I'm sure they have a tour manager and merch guy. I'm sure it's a whole thing. It's a whole team. I'm sure it's a whole thing. They travel with the production team. They're flying private. They're staying in massive hotel suites. Yeah, the part where they're walking through the Four Seasons, Georgetown, D.C., I'm like, okay, guys, relax. We know the hotel room has four rooms in it. I understand now. It's quite spacious. I didn't know that, but I know that now. They're having their meals delivered to them. They're living in a... I get why it's so popular because I'd never listened to it. It never really clicked with me before. I was like, oh, I get it. It's because they're so famous that you know them, but they're not so famous that you don't believe them, if that makes sense. I believe that they're behaving within reason. I guess it closely resembles their real selves. They're offering enough of an authentic version of their real selves. It's still controlled, but within the reasons of their celebrity level. It's not like a full, you are a celebrity, you are programmed. Hi, I am Jennifer Aniston. Drink smart water. Friends. It's pretty reasonable. And I think that's just what we crave.

Of course. Especially, I think, now that reality entertainment is entertainment. Like, I saw the stats. Like, there was somebody posted the stats, the Vanderpump Rules, like the reunion thing. And it's, like, staggering. It's, like, giant. Like, way bigger than I ever thought. You got any numbers? I don't, yeah. Like, the Scandaval? The Scandaval thing, yeah, because I was talking. Yeah, hold on. I do have the numbers. Did it break Successions 2.3 million? Definitely. Just kidding. I was talking to a friend, Sophia Rossi, and we were talking. Part one of the Vanderpump Rules reunion was the most watched episode of any Bravo show in nine years. VPR is the most watched cable series of 2023 across all networks in the 1849 demographic. Part three had the highest first day peacock viewing of any NBCU show ever. More than 115 million total hours of season 10 have been watched across all platforms. Damn, brother. That to me, though, is like a... Some LeBron numbers. It's LeBron numbers, but that to me almost explains something like Smartless being so popular in some ways versus Succession. Actual numbers. Succession is complete... like, you know, circle jerk, like blah, blah, blah. And like the 40 people that work at Condé Nast want to debate it online. That VPR, like a fucking guy that works at a restaurant has a cover band cheating on his chick with fillers who works at a restaurant. That's what we want. It's relatable. I think the new, I think what we want from celebrities now has changed. Like, I think we want smartless. I don't think we want other stuff. Like I think that's the best version of like – that's the type of access to celebrities we want. And I mean that's why Joe Rogan is still number one and why every month you hear about a new talk show on television being canceled. It's better than – it's like – I mean Alex was – we were in a dark spot and we did watch one episode of Kendra from the like Playboy show has like a real estate show.

And I was like, I have to, we have to watch, let me watch, because I just can't believe this is on. This is getting promoted to me, I believe it's on HBO. And I'm like, I'm like, this is, this is the, like, I don't want to watch, this isn't, like, this is so bad that it's not, like, Vanderpump Rules, people are investing it because it's been on for so long, but it's also, like, actually pretty entertaining. Like, this is, like, watching a brain-dead. former playboy bunny give people a tour of a five million dollar house in encino and like stumble through it like i'm all set i want to watch jason bateman talk about his meal prep like i can't there's no like that in between is not what we want yeah it's not what we want damn bro you summed it up and we just need to keep riding in that nice little middle class we have to promise ourselves if we ever get as famous as them we still offer our full true authentic selves and we don't hinder our true core being well I think what happened I think that I think the beauty of aging besides obviously the wisdom that we both possess deeply is the fact that you've you've done something long enough and you understand how it works long enough where it's like it's a little hard I think if you have any self-awareness it's much harder to become a total monster dumbass at 40 at 45 because it's like that's why people you know if you look back on the you know when like the Paris Hilton Lindsay Lohan like Britney Spears era of fame they were like 22 yeah like and they turned out fine right yeah no I'm saying of course you're gonna be fucking insane at 22 if you're rich and famous and on drugs like of course but I think we're actually at a stage now where because of the different mediums, I think people are able to gain success and recognition at an older age. Praise the Lord. Thanks to the internet. I think it's the internet, but I also think it's because it's the way society has changed and how we're not allowed to prioritize looks in the same way that we were. Oh. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like, think about what I just, those three.

Like they were hot. That was it. Like you are fucking hot. Like Britney Spears had fucking hits. Don't get me wrong. But like the basis of that whole thing was how hot they look. Can we see titties? Who are they having sex with? And that is not really okay anymore. Right. That's not that you can't lead with that. At least you can try, but it won't have the legs. It'll be canceled. Season one, like the idol. Well, I think that's why the idol is causing so much uproars because the idol is literally the weekend. I mean, that's based on Selena Gomez is what most people think. That's his ex-girlfriend. Spoiler. But I think it's based on Selena Gomez and like a combination of like that Britney Spears era. You know what I mean? And people just – that is what everything looked like. That was our entire pop culture landscape. Not too long ago. Not too long ago. And now it's like this is too much. It's too vulgar. It's too crazy. And it's like, well, it's not good, but it's not too crazy. It's moving too quickly. Exponentially. I mean, I love it, and I bet that I could see it getting a season two if The Weeknd was down to do it. I already read that it's not going to be picked up. I know you read that, and I read that too, but I think that this is... Take what Pop Crave says with the Guinness song. I mean, Pop Crave is the motherfucking Bible. Don't get it twisted. I just think that... I think it's people like it. I think everyone wants to say they hate it, but they're all watching it. Obviously, they're not watching it as much as they need to be. based on the ratings, but I don't know. I could just see it turning. It could be fall sleeper hit by the end of the season. I love it. It's a good show at the end of the day, brother man. It's not a good show, but that's not a good enough reason not to watch it, if that makes sense. I still haven't begun yet. I understand that. By the way, speaking of television, I did dip into Jury Duty. Oh, nice. It's good. I love it. Really smart idea. James Martin's so good. It's really good. You've got to do the other two next. Him when he gets the private bailiff. Yeah. He's like, you guys are going to have so much fun when he gets into the Escalade with this private bailiff and they have to stay at a hotel. I was like, damn, this is good stuff. This is really funny. It's well done. It's really funny. What's that on Hulu?

It's on like a weird, it's on freebie. Oh, yeah, yeah, but it's on like Amazon. You can get it through Amazon. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, shit's funny as hell. Anyway, well, we do have a great show today. We did the rare, we recorded early for a special guest, someone that's very close to my heart, and I was like, this all, you know. Alternative sweetheart. Came together, Liz Phair, who you probably know her classic album, Exile and Guyville. But she also has a great book that's a memoir that came out like a year ago maybe, maybe two years ago. But she's doing a 30th anniversary tour of Exile in Guyville with a friend of the show, Blonde Shell, opening. I'm going to go to a few of those. I can already tell you right now. Yeah, it's a great chat with her. She's a fun... Fun, amazing sport. She's funny. She has a great attitude. That's what I was going to say. She's a damn pro. The attitude that someone like her has is the dream. You've had so much success. You've had some ups and downs. The perspective and the ability to really laugh at yourself and just be kind of kooky and not give a shit is something that we should all take note of. it's it's it's really impressive yeah and she yeah and she's gotten that far and had that great attitude without you know relying on drugs and alcohol to put her in that yeah no exactly she's just like that was my only like biggest take back after finishing editing the interview was like She just has a very good attitude. Yeah, she's just cool. Especially juxtaposed next to yours. You were on your best behavior with her, of course. I was. I was. Your standard walking around attitude. Oh, terrible. Absolutely terrible. Yeah, the book is called Horror Stories. It came out in 2019. Get that. Exile in Guyville. I believe the tickets are on sale now. She's coming to all the major cities. Stream her music on Spotify, Apple, Queezer, Tidal, SoundCloud.

Thank you to our friend Shira for kind of putting this bug in the head and connecting me with Liz's manager. And, yeah, how long gone? Tickets for Toronto go on sale Tuesday, the 19th. We are at the Great Hall on July 28th. We can't wait to be back in the – Actually, today's the – Monday the 19th. Oh, Monday the 19th. I'm sorry. Tickets go on sale today, Monday the 19th. And we will see you guys in Toronto and more to come. Toronto, New York, London, Copenhagen. We know that it's... And by the way, all you... Look, I know I fucked up. I know that Dutch means Amsterdam. And I apologize for that. But also, you get why that happens. Like, come on, guys. Typical Americans. It's not... I mean, how different are we? You know what I'm saying? Yeah. I don't expect... Somebody in Copenhagen to know the difference between Boise and Eugene. I dare one of you Danes to come down to Tennessee and be able to identify the Memphis twang versus the Nashville twang. We'll see how that goes. Or even one of the Great Lakes of America. Oh, you don't know a single damn lake. That's a great point. You think you got lakes over there? We got great ones here, bro. I was just in coma. When was the last time you were over here in Superiore? Superiore. Lago Superiore. Yeah, but thank you guys for listening to How Long Gone. Thank you to Liz for joining us. And we are back. Let me look at the calendar, Jason. Let me just check it out. We're just cruising today. I don't even know what we got next week, bro. You're cutting my phone time right now. Oh, okay. Yeah, actually, okay. Oh, okay. Good week next week. Is this one where we have our author? It's an author, but it's also a new friend of mine who stars in a show that comes out this week. Yeah. Season two coming soon. Can't wait to talk to him. I had a nice afternoon with him the other day. He's a known bread maker. I met his daughter, which was great. Cute. It was great. Okay, so we have an actor and then the author of the book of the summer. The hottest book of the summer. According to New York Magazine's Approval Matrix, which this isn't just us saying that because the book is amazing. I read it in an afternoon. But anyway, how long gone?

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No, I mean, it's funny you say that because literally this morning my wife and I were walking, doing our morning walk, and we were like, should we start making our own bread? Is now the time? Because a friend of ours, an artist named Chloe Wise, who was on this podcast a little while ago, she makes bread all the time, this focaccia, and she's like, yeah. All I do is eat this bread that I make myself. And like she said, she's in great shape and great health. And she lost weight eating this bread that she made herself. And she thinks that it's because the bacteria that's in the air of her home is recycling into the bread and the starter. And it's creating this life cycle that allows you to eat as much bread as you want. And you actually lose weight. So my girlfriend, I mean, sorry, wife and I were like, Yeah, maybe I should find a starter and start making weight loss bread. Do you think your bacteria is... I mean, so what kind of bread are you making, Liz? And what's the bacteria content, you think? Mine was cottage cheese bread. I was scrolling through Instagram. You know Instagram where they do that thing and they're like, listen to the crust. Crunch, crunch. And you're like, gotta have it. Gotta have it. Okay, so you're making TikTok bread. I'm making TikTok bread. I'm for sure... But I felt so stupid when I got the iron cast thing, like the heavy bread thing. I like bought it, you know, and it came in a package that was like thunk. And I opened it up and I was like, oh, you know, and it's like a bread thing. It's a big bastard. I held this like 17th century tool and just felt so stupid. I was like an idiot. I need you to. And then I made this bread and it was. Amazing. Oh, shit. Okay. Amazing. Yeah. So look out. You said cottage cheese bread. I don't know what that is. So if you could kind of explain that to me. Because I'm from the 20th century. So if you could just kind of take us back. That'd be really great. I'm not a history buff. Let me tie my bonnet. Let me tie my bonnet. Get your bonnet in order before you explain. I don't want to show you my hair. This is, yeah. Today we have Liz Phair from Downton Abbey on How Long Gone Today. She's sewing gifts from the hearth.

I'm a downstairs person. I'm not an upstairs person. I'm a downstairs person. Oh, a fellow watcher. I like what I hear. No, but Chris, can you actually explain what cottage cheese bread is to Chris and also maybe to me? Chris has never made it. I have made it. I'm the cottage cheese expert here on this panel. Yes, you are. Egg whites. Oh, shit. She's just going to... The recipe is already memorized. You made it one fucking time, and all of a sudden, you're an expert. 480 grams of sifted flour go into a mixing bowl. I did so well. It was so delectable. Like, I am an expert. Egg whites. Eight egg whites, okay. Eight egg whites, which was really fun. I didn't let, like, you know... Peer pressure rushed me. I really took my time. And then cottage cheese, and you blend that up in a blender. You whip it up? Whip it up in your mixer? Just shut up. I'm not telling you this. The most important reason why your friend is losing weight is because she has to knead the dough, which is really, really hard. I was jumping up on the counter. I was like, oh. So you're saying your forearms. You're getting even a little lower body activation with the jumping. Exactly. Okay. So the bread actually includes cottage cheese. I thought maybe that was just a turn of phrase. And that was something that maybe something I didn't understand. But you're saying you put cheese in the bread. The egg whites and cheese mixed together. And that is the base for a loaf of bread is what you're telling me. Exactly. But also, Chris, we can't really call cottage cheese a cheese. It's more of a dairy byproduct, just to let you know. Thank you for that. Think of it as more in the yogurt family than in the cheddar family. No, I was thinking that. For a layman out there. Visually, I can put that together. I'm not that stupid. But, Liz, what's the preferred, for you then, what's the preferred way to enjoy? Are you slicing it up with breakfast? Are you a sandwich chick? Like, what are we doing with this bread? Tuna milk? Well, Nick was making patty melts with it, and I was doing the Miyoko butter with the Manuka honey. Toasting it, and then the Miyoko butter, and then the Manuka honey. Miyoko butter with the Manuka honey.

I mean, it's unfortunate that I know what all that stuff is a lot, but I think that could sound alien. UMF 24. What is, okay, I know what Manuka honey is. So that's a vegan butter, right? Yeah, Miyoko, yeah, vegan butter. But I'm not entirely vegetarian. The Miyoko butter looks, it kind of looks like the Mykonos. feta brand. I compartmentalize those words in my mind, so look for the butter that appears Greek-ish, even though it's not at all. The Greek-ish butter? Okay. I have one question. I'm stunned by these revelations. For the tour, we're adding a song to Guyville called You Need It, right? You need it. No, you're not doing that. No, hell no. I'm vetoing. I'm in charge now. That's not making the set list. Okay, Elizabeth, you need to tell me. Oh, shit. I hear my mother. Why you're punishing. You work so hard. You've come so far in your life. Why are we eating cottage cheese bread with vegan butter? Yeah, what happened to you? You deserve something. A steak? No, just regular butter. You know what I mean? Regular butter tastes kind of gamey to me now. Huh. I thought you were going to say gay. Yeah, me too. Yeah, regular butter tastes gay. A little gamey. Okay. Gamey. It's a little bit. You say it like it's a bad thing. It's got a funk. Weird. No, no, no. If you're in the mood. Do you eat meat? Do you eat? Will you eat a steak? I do. I will eat a steak. I try to ethically balance it from the idea. Like, I didn't buy shoes the other day because they were lambskin. I'm like, nope. But every once in a while throughout the year, I know that as a wild human, I would go after an animal. I would go hunting. I would get hungry enough.

But it doesn't have to happen that often. But occasionally, yes. So you're saying when you hit the steakhouse when you're feeling primal and you give in to that urge, you feed that need, because we're all animals. It's not every day that you have this crippling bloodlust, but it will pop up quarterly, maybe. Yes! Okay, I mean, I think that's... That seems pretty healthy because I think most people – like I haven't eaten meat since I was probably – since I was in high school. And I want to – I know it's good for me, but I don't get the lust because it's been so long. So I need to figure out what it's going to take for me to kind of dig in. He's barren. His taste buds are barren. Well, why do you need to? I mean, you don't need to. I feel like it honestly would be good for my health. Not mental. That's out the window. But physical. You look very healthy. Oh, well. Thank you, Liz. I appreciate that. Oh, you guys want to talk to Dr. Clark. I see. Okay. So tell me what your symptoms are. All right. Dr. Clark Medicine Woman? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Do you consider yourself a little bit of a doctor maybe? Or just the dark arts? Are we talking medical? Are we talking spiritual? What are you an expert in? I think I grew up with so many doctors in the family that I decided to skip the medical school. Just go straight to prescription. Straight. Straight to prescriptions. Yeah, I went straight to prescriptions too, but that's a whole other podcast. From high school straight into the pros. I don't think that, but do you think that you know better than other people? You can be honest with us. This is a safe space. I'll tell you this. I knew everything that was going to happen with the pandemic in February of 2020. All right, Fauci. All right, Fauci, relax. Oh, don't call me Fauci because we needed masks right away and all the SARS. studies from asia said so even okay pathetic cloth masks okay would have helped this is now the joe rogan podcast we have uh we have rfk on the show today where is how do you okay how do you where are the sars documents are those coming from

inside like doctor sources are those googleable for the rest of us googleable and now they are not googleable oh okay all right all right liz you're starting i think those were in some of those emails that hillary has am i right are you are you a little bit of a conspiracy theorist because jason's a little bit of conspiracy a little bit a healthy amount a little bit yeah i think we i think it's healthy Healthy. I think it's a healthy enough. You know, speaking of Joel Rogan, I told him this is my future science. I don't think it's, like, conspiracy. I think it's just science we haven't proven yet. What do you mean you told Joe Rogan that? Were you on the show? He liked that. He used future science in another episode, so he dug it. Wait, are you guys friends, or were you on the show? I was on the show, like, in 2018? Damn. Really? Yeah. That shocks you? it's it's not the most shocking thing i've ever heard in the world but you're not necessarily you're not necessarily i didn't call it I didn't go like, hey, Joe Rogan, have me. I don't know how these things happen. You have press people. I also did a Fox News segment for my book, and I was like, wait, we're going where? She's like, didn't you read your call sheet? I'm like, no. I'm like going to the dark start. I'm like, oh, my God. All right, it's Tucker Carlson. I'm here with Liz Phair. Talk about her new book. The Fox News appearance probably moved more books than anything else you did, unfortunately, but that's another convo. Oh, God. They had a nice green room. All I'm saying, all I'm saying. Well, I don't think Joe Rogan has anybody on his pod that he isn't a fan of or wants to have on, so he must have already been aware of you and wanted to have you on, right? I think his engineer knew about me, if I remember correctly. So you went to the, was this in, this is LA though, this is before the Austin thing? Yes, yes, yes, yes. Okay, all right, because I've heard some funny stories about going to Austin because it's in like a strip mall. And it's just like a funny weird studio built in a strip mall. It's like 30 minutes outside of town. Did your family...

get awkward during Thanksgiving after you appeared on Joe Rogan, or was everyone else on board and okay with it? Can you imagine being my parents? Go back to 1993 and Guyville coming out. No, I can't. I don't think that Joe Rogan even blipped. I don't think there was even a blip on the radar. My parents have been dealing with my bullshit for a long time. They gave up. They don't listen anymore. They don't care about this anymore. Thank you. Yes, exactly. Rogan is saying is like the Hallmark channel to them. They don't care about that. Do you live? Do you live in L.A. or do you live in New York? I do live in L.A. Oh, you do. OK, but I did live in New York. I lived on 13th Street between A and B. Oh, my old stomping grounds. I was on 4th and A for a very long time. Nice. Do you miss it or do you think New York's cooked? No, man, it was great. My apartment looked out or I had a room in it. It was actually Greta's apartment looked out over the courtyard of St. Mark's, you know, so like. That was pretty. That was nice. It was... Thunberg? Yeah. You and Greta Thunberg. Greta Thunberg. Yeah. No, she was two. She was two. No, she was... She didn't exist. She wasn't... She was a spirit. She was a spirit. She was merely an idea at the time. It was merely an idea. She was a twinkle in her eyes. Wasn't even old enough to get into the all-ages show. Dude, I have to say about Greta, like, Thunberg, she's right. Well, when you say she's right, do you mean everything she says or her main synopsis? Let's go into the conspiracy theory. This isn't really part of it. It's part of my weirdness. I am studying storm structure because I think that climate change is going to increase the severity of storms. Definitely. I would agree with that. The more I study storm structure, the more I realize that Earth is essentially a balanced system and that what's really going to kill us. is imbalancing it. And once it goes, once it becomes chaos rather than order, we're fucked. So like when she sees planets that have a chaotic or uninhabitable atmosphere, she she's thinking, which I am now thinking, if we fuck this up.

It's just going to be storms everywhere and no stability. So she's right to be terrified. She's just looking out really far in the future. Okay. I find her pretty annoying, but I don't think she's wrong. Her delivery isn't great for me personally. But now that you're saying this, I do think that if, because I really hate the rain, like it really. It affects my mood. It affects my mood. And if it rains all the time, I'd rather not be here. Honestly, if the storms are that bad, I say, God, take me. Take me away. Wait, what's frightening is that you're worried about rain. Like, that's the least of it. Yeah, wind. I just feel like rain. In Liz's dystopian world, rain will be the only solace that comes, Chris. Right. That's how we get drinking water. I'm going to be out there sticking my tongue out. Okay. I guess that when I think of a storm, I think of rain first because it's my enemy, and then all of the accoutrement, like wind, you know, all the stuff, lightning. All the side dishes. All the side dishes that come with the rain steak, to put it in terms you understand, Liz. So that's what I'm saying. Does Enya come with that? That's what I mean. What music comes with the rain? What music do you put on when it rains to just really feel it? Do you get a blanket? Do you, like, crawl under the covers? My Bloody Valentine, maybe. Yeah, I would probably listen to, like, Red House Painters. Red House Painters or, like, My Bloody Valentine. Something like that, probably. But I don't really, I don't, I guess I don't listen to music like that. I don't, like, have, like, mood music, really. But maybe I should, and maybe I could learn to love Rain if I was equating it with positive. kind of tunes you probably heard like i can't stand the rain and then you're like no i can't either i'm not doing a call and response well because he's jason jason lives in la i live in la sometimes and it's been so overcast how are you dealing with the overcast because i see this room you're in is painted

a very electric hue of green, which I feel like keeps your mood up. It does. That's part of the appeal. Yeah. Like a yellowish. I'm also doing 75 hard right now. So I have to get outside. So that helps. Like if you get out there. What's 75 hard? 75 hard. It's this app. I don't even want to know. You don't want to know? No, I do want to know. That could just go so many places. It sounds like a workout. Is it like a restaurant in Studio City? Is it an app? Is it a cruising app? It sounds like another gay app. It sounds like an app for gay guys. It sounds like a weather forecast from one of your future storms. You're like, it's 75 degrees and it's very hard. Life is very hard now because of the storm. So what is this app? You have to do two workouts a day for 45 minutes, one outside, one inside. Presumably. And then you have to read 10 pages of nonfiction. You can take any diet you want, but you have to stick to it. And then water. Wow. This sounds right up my alley. Okay. Let's walk through. Let's walk through. a day then what are the workouts you gotta do two workouts you do one in the morning also why are you doing this is clearly a man's workout why are you doing this man's workout this is a workout that only like bros do yeah are you all right i need to find a way to read non-fiction because i live in america and i have long adjusted to taking like rules and regulations for men and adapting them for women so what i do with that too hard workout you know and there's like this big ajax looking bro guy Did you complete it? Did you complete it? Did you read today, pussy? Did you read today, pussy? Yeah, like... Did you read your 10-pages of nonfiction, loser? No fiction ever! Why? Get your head out of that fantasy. Get with reality. I want to start at the beginning. Tell us what the workouts are because you get to choose those or they prescribe them to you via app. No, you can choose it. It's very simple. That's what I like about it. I interpret it for my own needs, but I have this Ajax-looking guy going like, did you do it?

And I like that. Okay, so it's accountability. So are you running? Are you doing Pilates? Are you doing weight training? What are the workouts? No, I don't make anything an ordeal. I figure if I'm moving around that much, it's all good. So I'll go for like a walk. Okay. Right? That's my big outdoor workout. But I see people. I meet dogs. You know, I'm totally losing weight. I'm totally losing weight. Okay. I know you guys don't believe me. I'm totally losing weight. But it has other benefits. other benefits it's like improving my life for all these different reasons and then i'll either do yoga or i'll like sit on my weird wobble board yeah oh you're a wobble board person i wobble i'll do i just don't want anything to be nothing can be an ordeal so you don't go you don't go to a gym you don't have a trainer you don't do any of that good good luck wrangling me hell no so you're just at home you're doing your thing and then you're drinking my 75 hard and then the guy's like did you do it and i'm like yes i did and then okay so so so now when you're trying to do the 75 hard outdoor workouts that are also good for your mental health as well you get to see the doggies it hasn't had sunshine since late 2022 yeah are you getting the proper uv morning light that's adjusting your circadian rhythms okay here we're gonna stay in the conspiracy lane This freaks me out because my total body, I put sunscreen on and everything, right? There's only a little bit that's uncovered, right? She's thought of all of it, Jason. She's thought of all of it. Check this out. My whole body is getting tan underneath my clothes. What the fuck is going on? Why? But is that bad? I don't know. I don't know. I'm tan and looking fit. Okay. No complaints. Something is cooking me, and I don't know what's cooking me. Damn, this is really – okay, so just like your bread, you're coming out a little brown on top. But all over. It's like it's getting under my clothes. But I want to be clear. Okay, so I just – yeah, let's just make it very clear. When you're outside exercising, you are clothed, like you're wearing clothing. Yeah. So you're saying you slather on the SPF before you go out, and somehow, some way, God is still touching you with his beautiful son.

Yeah. I have a follow up question. You said you live in L.A. Do you mean Palm Springs, though? Where is all this sun coming from? That's blasting. That's that's air frying you. Is there a part of L.A. that's situated on the equator that Jason and I don't know about? Or is there? Send me your coordinates, queen. Yeah. Drop a pin. Drop a pin, baby. Because I would love to be tan and beautiful, and it's obviously – I'm not getting – we're not getting the same sun exposure as you, and we live in the same place. It doesn't – do you think you're special maybe? Do you think that this is like maybe some of your internal body chemistry or some of your supplements kind of working? This episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Squarespace. Obviously, Jason, you and I spend a lot of time on the World Wide Web. So do our peers, our listeners, our friends, our colleagues, maybe even your parents if they're freaky. And if you're doing anything in the world, writing, taking pictures. I do topless boxing. You need a website. Exactly. A website that works, that does what it's supposed to do, that allows you to be creative but also business-minded. Jason, there's one place to go for that, Squarespace. Yeah, Chris, I'm over here. I'm modifying calculators and putting Claude inside of them so you could cheat at school. And I just want a place where I could, you know, have everything all in one place. I can have the SEO tools so those future graduates can find me. And, you know, I'm able to accept, quote, unquote, donations for my services that might be gray area. You know what I mean? And then email campaigns. Hey, I got a new 2.3 version upgrade. Boom, boom, boom. Get the analytics going. Raise some money. Show your investor all of your cool analytics of what's going on. They're going to want to get in early. And we can use Blueprint AI to make your website look as professional as your competition, if not more. So head to squarespace.com slash howlong for a free trial. When you're ready to launch, use offer code howlong to save 10% off your first purchase of a website or a domain. This episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by a new podcast from the Guardian stateside with Kai and Carter. This is covering a lot of our bases, Jason. It's trying to slow down.

The news and wrestle with the questions we all have about what's happening in the world. And I know you particularly have quite a lot of questions. A lot of questions. But how often? Because we do this podcast three times a week and that's a sweet spot. How many times do they do? Three times a week. And I have a feeling just based on the platform and these talking points that they're maybe going to be covering different stuff than we do. That's just a guess. The Guardian is not some billionaire owned. They're not afraid to say what they want to say, brother. Yeah, Rupert ain't sniffing around in what journalists Kai Wright and Carter Sherman are up to over there at Stateside. But yeah, listen wherever you get your podcasts. You can watch it on YouTube. It's three times a week. And who couldn't use more news? Especially when it's not from here, let's say. Give it a listen. Give it a listen. Do you take hella supplements, or are you trying to keep it more natural? I do take Fatty, that new... Oh, yeah. Fatty15. Use our code at checkout. I take Fatty15. Oh, you got that. No, no, I'm joking. Our friend Pia does, though. What is that supposed to do? It's a better omega-3. Oh, it's omega-3. Omega-3. It's like fish oil, right? Is that the idea? I don't know. Hello, Fatty15. That's an Instagram. I'm Fatty15. So it sounds like you're very influenced by Instagram ads, and I'd like to get into some of the purchases you've made. Liz, you need to stop hanging out with your teenage children. They're influencing you too hard. Your son's not even a teenager. Your son's in his 20s, isn't he? He doesn't do any of that. He doesn't care about any of that. He's very political. We can't talk about politics because we'll get into a thing. He's not on Instagram. He's not doing that? Instagram tends to be where the really beautiful people go. So I figure if I want to get really beautiful. I do have an account. You can follow me back anytime. Let me know. I should go there. If you want to see beauty. They do nothing but work out, like as far as I can tell. Okay, so you're saying everybody on Instagram is hot, so I should be there too is what you're saying. No, if I want to get hot, I should go to where the hot people are and do what they do. This is dress for the job you want, not the job you have. Right. You want to be the worst house on the best block. Yeah.

Smallest room with the nicest hotel. Where was your son on January 6th, Liz? Oh, shit. Probably duck and covering. I don't know. So what part of LA are you in? You don't have to give us the exact spot. I'm in a very, very sunny part of L.A. that's very near the ocean. Oh, okay. All right. That tracks for you because I'm in WeHo and Jason's in Glendale, so we don't get – that literally might be our problem. We might have just uncovered the problem that easily. Yeah, yeah. How long have you lived in L.A.? 23 years. Oh, so you like it or do you hate it but just live there? No, I love it. And I there was a point at which before Trump, I started to feel disenchanted and I was very grumbly about it. And I was like, I'm going to leave. I'm going blah, blah, blah. And then as soon as Trump was elected. That was so horrifying and terrifying to me that the firewall of California felt extremely important. Oh, it felt valuable. Valuable. Because where are you going to go? Where would you go if you didn't live in L.A.? Like, dream scenario. Based on what you do for a living and, you know, your daily lifestyle, where could you do that? San Andreas, like, split up and become an island. I could do that. No, no, no. If it's not New York, Chicago, L.A., or London. I don't know where I'd do it. You know what I mean? That sounds pretty good except for Chicago. I'm with you. That's a good lineup. I feel like there's parts of Europe where you get a lot of action, right? Yeah, but I'm just thinking where do you live and work? Primavera Festival or something? I could bring out the high school French for Paris. I think that my... sexual persona like the blue lyrics in my music could work for them and the fact that i'm maybe slightly of a certain age you know and that i still want to sing the blue that i could do that in paris i feel like they'd understand because you're saying you're saying and they love the bread yeah they love the bread yeah they they but they would respect you you're saying they would respect and maybe fall victim to your charms i think i'd have a better shot as being charming in paris than maybe charming in berlin

Well, well... I mean, Charming in Berlin is impossible. I mean, they don't take to that. That's not really their vibe. Yeah, that's not really their vibe. Are you excited to hit the road or are you like, damn, here we go again? No, I'm really excited to hit the road. This is a very particular tour with a very special meaning to me. So, yeah, I'm very excited. I mean, okay, so touring after all these years, you can still find the joy in it? You're not going to get me saying living. on a bus is fun that's not fun you know like there's nothing fun about that but the people that i work with are great quick bus quick bus question i'm sure the band's great back lounge is that is that your master bedroom or is that where guys play video games that's my master bedroom okay good good answer you know because i've talked we've talked to a lot of musicians on the show have a lot of musician friends some of them claim that the bunk is more comfortable and they prefer it And I just think that's a lie. You have to be. I'm not a very deep sleeper. I could not. I've tried a bunk on a long drive when I wasn't set up. We just took a bus for a long drive. And I literally just cry in the bunk. I just lie there and cry. So, no. You sound like me. If I have to be in a car for over an hour, I just can't handle it. That's a no. I've only slept in a bus one time when I managed a band, and I woke up and threw up the whole way home. And I was like, I'm never doing this again. And that's why now when we do live shows, I fly private, of course. That's kind of the only way. You know that, Liz. I mean, you know how it is. You know how it is. No, I'm kidding. I fly commercial just like the rest of you losers. But I think that the... I also heard about a band recently who is doing something where they fly to every show and they just have a guy that drives the gear to meet them.

That sounds pretty good, too. It's something maybe you should look into. We've already done it. We have done it. Oh, you've done that? Yeah. Normally, we've done a ton of fly tours where everybody flies except for the people driving the equipment. Or we rent it everywhere. We've done lots of different things. Rent it everywhere? That seems insane. It was insane. It did work for a short run, but it was very spotty. Very spotty. There were many times, like, yeah. Liz, that was the tour. It was spotty, you know? It was spotty. Just for a handful of reasons, it was pretty spotty overall. Sometimes we had drums, sometimes we didn't. Exactly. We didn't have a snare in St. Louis, but it was a Tuesday, so we were able to wing it. You have seen, I mean, there was a time I played a Perez Hilton showcase in Austin for, and all the equipment, like the band before us, something happened with. They had European plugs. The electricity blew completely and fried all of our equipment right before the show. So my lead guitarist came back and he's like, Liz, there's no electricity. And all of our amps are blown. And I'm like, what? And Perez is pissed. Yeah, not Perez. Of all the people. It was a big showcase. And we borrowed it from the other bands. Musicians will do that kind of shit because it's so crazy on the road. It's such a wagon train out there. I always thought there should be a band traffic controller in the U.S. being like, we've got Green Day over here. We can't have someone to control all of these. Keep the traffic moving. That's a good idea. That's a good idea. I'm sure Billy Joe and the guys might have a collision over Boulder. Exactly. And we can't risk that. We can't risk that. These guys got to play tonight. Like Chris said before, we have a lot of musicians on and we've had a lot of contemporary indie artists who may or may not sound like you or be influenced by you. How does that make you feel?

hearing bands you know not exactly copycatting you but drawing a lot of influence from from your music from back in the day i love it i absolutely love it i mean to be someone who when i was first starting out would go out into the music business of the music world and it would be all men to now when i go out it's you know 60 women and or you know it's very it's much It's changed. Damn, it's like you've seen into my iTunes. It really is 60%. Well, I mean, behind the scenes and in front of the microphone. But I think we're learning now that all the men in the music industry kind of... I've had a theory that they care more about college football than music. And female people in the business seem to love music much more than men do. And it's a passionate, emotional art form, so why not? Damn, Jason. That's a really good point. Especially during the 2000s, I guess, when I had more access to it. Because if you're a music nerd as a girl, nobody wants to have sex with you. But if you're a music nerd as a girl, everyone's like, oh, shit, I think I'm in love. I had sex with them. Liz would have sex with you. No, babe, I love college football, too. Let's watch. There's seven different pitchfork riders who just got 75% hard right now. They're like, wait, I have a chance? I thought my minor league baseball season tickets wouldn't work. That was a good wraparound. You occluded that. That was perfect. Okay, so you like it. You think it's good. Have you ever just randomly listened to or do you have friends send you like a Spotify link and be like, yo, check this out. This sounds just like. you oh yeah no you mean like sound like people yes is yes all the time people are like oh who are some of those bands i don't know i don't keep i i don't have that kind of proprietary like how dare you so i'm i'm sure sure i'm down i'm so down i think it's a that's a much healthier because in today's society overall i feel like there's a lot of like they ripped me off culture like everybody pointing fingers and like this is that and it's just kind of like

Man, I don't mean to shit on anyone here, but nothing's original. It's all good, guys. It's also like, if I'm referencing something that's 20 years old, 30 years old, that belongs to the ether. At that point, that belongs to the world. Yeah. Art builds on the shoulders of art. There's only so many notes that a human voice can sing, and if you want to be entirely original, no one's going to want to listen to it. That's true. And I guess if the original band was that good, then... you shouldn't be able to duplicate them. There's been a million bands that try to sound like the Beatles. Nobody's ever come close. But to bring up My Blade of Valentine, there's probably 75 random kids' bands all over the world, and they sound exactly like My Blade of Valentine because there's websites about how to get their guitar tone, and you just go... Yeah, there's people dedicated to amp settings so that you can make it that loud. certain situations where you're like all right guys come on like this sounds literally exactly like slow dive or whatever jason you're coming in here like a fucking cop you sound like marvin gay's family you gotta chill i mean there's a difference between actually intending to yeah like take their thunder and for yourself which i think of in the commercial area like jingly area like sound alikes and stuff yeah So yeah, I would go after someone if they were trying to do that to me, but I just don't sense that being the vast majority of these things. Like the vast majority is just like, so what? So now my bloody Valentine has created a genre. That's how I would look at it. Yeah, that's true. That's true. But to me, yeah, I guess if you look at it as a genre, to me, if you're like literally trying to make a facsimile of this band, sort of like what is the point of your artistic output? It's like I'm a professional impersonator, like a Michael Jackson guy on Hollywood Boulevard or something. I'm not going to that show. You're like, I'm all set on the Michael Jackson impersonator right now. I'm all good on that. I did want to talk about the book a little bit because I did read it. Did you? Yeah, I got a signed copy. I pre-ordered from Barnes & Noble. So you're the one. Nice. Okay, look, read. Some people might call it a skim. I call it a read.

Okay, don't attack me. I'm a strong reader. But Liz, just so you know, Chris is a very big fan. Yeah, long time fan. I can't wait to hear what was retained. Oh, not much. I had to catch up today. Not much. I didn't even smoke weed. That's the fucked up part. No, I just think that the, I thought the book was really, I liked the kind of way it was written, like the style in which it was written where it kind of jumps around a little bit and each chapter is kind of its own moment, you know? But I think that the, I guess the process of that in general, because I've talked to people who've written memoirs before, and their takeaway from it was... kind of like, if you like your life, don't do this. Like if you, it will, it's going to, I just mean, I mean, they're joking, but they're like, it's going to upset Pete. Like you have to be honest. You have to, that's the whole point. That's why you're doing it. That's satisfying as an artist. It's also why they're paying you the money is because you've got to leave it all on the table. And that's just a really difficult thing to do. And I'm sure you went through some of that during the process. Yeah. I got in trouble with a couple of friends. Did you send it to them first? I didn't. I talked to most people. I talked to most people beforehand, but there was one that I thought I had covered up more, the identity. Actually, at the end of the process, I'd done so many edits. I think I didn't, and I was on tour at the end. The older version that wasn't as covered for her identity got in there, and that was a big problem. That was a big mistake. Slip through the cracks. Like you had to call kind of hat in hand and be like, look. Yeah, and I had to try to fix the – like get the newer one put in, which we did. We did it all, and it didn't end up causing any damage. But like it was a bad – We got her a signed copy sent over to the house. It's all good. But then my other friend was pissed because I called her like dress a different material. She's like it was silk. It was silk shantung.

Still, it was not whatever happened. This is the kind of friends I have. This is the kind of friends I have. What kind of editors do you have? Yeah, they're like, look, yeah, we did coke those three nights together, absolutely, but you got the fucking dress wrong, and I'm not going to stand for it. This is bullshit. Like, that's all fine, but this is not okay. I mean, I think that the, yeah, I mean, I think that the memoir genre, especially of people that we know and love, is like, like I read the, what's his name? uh from friends matthew perry yes um and i was like i don't care about matthew perry i didn't like friends but i was a pill addict so i'm interested in this because we have that commonality and then i read it and i'm just like this guy's too rich nothing ever happens like you know what i mean he's so rich he just kind of like goes to rehab he's still rich he goes to rehab again he's still rich it's like nothing there's not that much consequences There's not really any consequences. I hit a guy with my car today. Exactly. His colon exploded from taking too many painkillers, which is pretty amazing. That's a feat that many have not accomplished. I guess what I'm saying is I've read a lot of these books because I like those genres, specifically when there's addiction involved because I feel like that's when people really lay it all to bear. But I felt like there was a level of honesty that felt kind of like matter of fact, I think, which feels like that's who you are, but that's probably what you're trying to accomplish as well. Yes, very much so. I mean, we're all kind of taking this ride together. We're all living a life and it's pretty damn short. I think there you can be in the society where reality is what society tells you. And then you can pull back out at different moments, you know, and be like, wait a minute, this is all arbitrary. These are rules that solved one problem a long time ago, et cetera, et cetera. So I wanted to stand both in it and like above it and be like, well, this is kind of this is these are the. And the other point about the book was there was a lot of horror genre going on in America and it was all.

like bloody and violent and big. And I'm like, really horror to me is like the Sartre-esque nausea type where it's like the everyday shit that you have to sit with and live with and tell yourself not to think about at night, you know? No, that's, I mean, I agree with you. That definitely haunts me more than like a ghost or like a guy with a knife. More than a jump skirt. Yeah, it's more realistic. Liz, when you said the one part of you likes to look, Above it, what drugs do you take or did you take to sort of get that bird's eye view? I didn't write on any substance. I wish I could. I've tried so many times to do that, and it just isn't good. It's good for a first draft. Do some mushrooms and get the idea down, and then revisit. I just want to get it out. Just get it out. I thought that was part and parcel of being a writer, that you could take your substance of choice and just get into it, but that doesn't work. But anywho, if I do any drug, it's usually edible cannabis. That's my perennial go-to, I suppose, since early 20s. You're perennial. Alcohol, I will definitely drink at certain moments. Okay. And if you open up something special. but general alcohol doesn't metabolize for me well. It's like, do you want a white headache or a red headache? You've had to do some research, but you figured out that doesn't work for you. It doesn't work so well, no. I'm an edible girl as well. Welcome home, honey. Oh, you are? Oh, yeah, that's right. Thank you. Now, back in the day, were you going super hard because everyone was, or was it pretty mellow on the bus? Oh, on the bus? No, I never party on tour, really, except like, the end of the leg i always go out the last night but i i can't i'm the singer no can do voice yeah i'm not like a super that's that yeah historically that hasn't stopped most singers but i appreciate that i'm a songwriter i'm a writer at heart like the the extra stuff the performance is like an add-on that's a bonus

thing I've learned how to do. We're lucky to have it. I understand what you mean. I'm on my tiptoes with my nose above water trying to get this stuff out. There's no room for partying on tour. What was the question? Am I raging? I thought you were talking about early 20s when I thought I was a hard ass. Yes, I would order whiskey straight and I was smoking camels. Filterless. Filterless camels and straight whiskey. So this is at your peak partying zone. 22 to 25. Wow, my peak partying zone was a lot longer than that. That's a pretty nice window. Three years in your early 20s? Like, wow. But you can always go back to it because now my father taught me moderation in all things. including moderation. So every once in a while during the year, I think of it as absolutely mandatory to my mental health to go out and party hard occasionally. You seem like you've got it figured out in some ways for sure. That seems like a reasonable approach. When you now in your life in 2023 go have a night where you party hard, are you going to a friend's house? Are you guys doing an organized... like drug party thing are you going to a bar a club what's going on always private houses and very civilized but yeah that's a good answer and that's what i would hope because i think that like Yeah, I feel like going out is not, you can't really do that anymore. Not really. I mean, you definitely can't, but most people can't. You can't do that unless you're in your early 20s, is the reality. It kind of has to be, especially when you've got friends with nice houses. It's like, I'd rather be in the house than this nasty shit. Yeah, you kind of just find out whoever has the best house. Whoever has the best house to party in. Yeah. And like, I'll get the wine. I'll get the food. You get the molly. We all come together. How is that different from high school? How is that different from high school? It's exactly high school. The parents are the ones partying, not the ones going out of town. That's the difference. That's the major. I think that's the major difference. No, the one difference is.

At the end of the night, you don't sleep over. Yeah, yeah. You're probably like, okay, I'm going to go home now. Well, sometimes you do. Sometimes you do. I'll hit the guest room on the bottom floor. I'll see you guys next time. Yeah, Chris will be like, take the Ambien now. And I'll be like, okay. Yeah. Yeah, that's good advice. That's good advice. Well, speaking of partying and stuff, we have certain guests on. We'll ask this question. You can answer it if you want to or you don't have to. Top three prescription pills of all time. I'm not a prescription pill person. I don't have it for you. You just named one. You just said Ambien. I don't really like that as a special occasion that I didn't have. The real thing we do with musicians, though, is we talk about syncs and some that you've like. what you've made the most money doing, and maybe some that you've regretted after the fact. Because especially for someone like you, selling out existed for you, and selling out does not exist anymore. So I feel like you probably made some decisions you wish you wouldn't have made, with a little bit of hindsight. Or some that you're glad that you did make. Yeah, is there a commercial? Is there a movie trailer? Something that really put the 9-11 in the garage? The what? The 911 in the garage was like... Or that 911'd your garage. Just a second. 911 doesn't go right to Porsche for me. So, okay. I don't know. This is a hard one. This is not the easy softball that you... Okay, this is not the easy softball that you thought it would be because generally speaking, I approve every license and I check the show. Yeah. So I try to make good calls on that and I think I've done a pretty good job. Okay. There was no horrible sellout moment where I'm like, why did I do that? I know why I did all the things that I did. No, that's good. We've just had people tell us some funny stories of like, yeah, I did Airbnb Australia for half a million bucks. It was fucking crazy. And then other people being like, I turned down KFC for a quarter of a million and now I could give a shit. I should have done it. No, dude. No, honest to God. There's been some that are worse than others, but nothing like that. I've turned away big money.

I just did it recently. Like, I won't take it if I don't think it's halfway decent. That's great. If I'm wrong, then it's like, oh, well, I did my homework. Okay. And I mean, that is great. I feel like I would be like. We do a lot of advertising on the podcast, obviously, and part of it is that we're kind of making fun of it, and that's okay. That's what a brand likes. But when it's your music put into their creative, you can't really put a twist on it. It's not up to you. This is your 30 seconds. They're going to put a twist on it, and you're not going to like the twist. They're going to put a twist, and maybe that's not the twist you wanted. That's not the twist you wanted. I think there's always that tension of people trying to sell you as a product. And then you're always going, but that's not me. And they're like, nobody cares. That's definitely true. You're not a product, but yet you have a price tag. Right. And then you're like, I have to protect my special, special brand. They're like, your special, special brand. There's how to do business, and there's how to make art. And never the twain shall meet. That's good advice, too. Well put, Liz. When does this tour start? This is the 30th anniversary, correct? 30th. 20th. Take it in. Take it in. Oh, 20th. Is it the 20th or 30th? 30th. It's the 30th. I'm just trying to flirt. Sorry. I know. I know. I know. It's actually the 10th. Don't I look amazing? I remember it so well. Can you believe it's already been 10 years since the 90s? So random. Y'all, I feel old. Wait, how come the 90s is back? Because it's been long enough. It's been long enough. Do you think it's because it was the first beginning? Is it the last? time that there was an internet or is it the first time that there was good question i think last time i think that you're i think you're overthinking it as just a cyclical thing i think it's just like the like every like in the 90s we were you know it was the 60s and then you know it just keeps going i think it's more than that i think it's more than that i think the internet has changed that equation

I don't know how. It's very possible, but also now the early 2000s have become the coolest thing. But I feel like they've done that a couple times, right? Yeah, they have. Well, I mean, I guess since the 90s are back and they are in full flux right now, we're striking while the iron is hot. The getting while the getting is good. This is where you authorize and approve everything, all the covers, all the sinks, all the clearances, Urban Outfitters, vinyl represses. I fucking try, dude. I fucking try, dude. Look, ever since they made a songbook, this is when I started paying attention. I was really famous. I was 26. We've just discussed what happens when that happens, right? Yeah, sure, sure. You're a complete asshole, and that's true. So I wasn't paying any attention to what was being done with my output, right? Like how people were selling my stuff. And a songbook for Whip Smart came back. And I was like, yeah, I approve a songbook. Sounds great. Go do it. It came back and the lyrics for Supernova, which are your lips are sweet and slippery like a cherub's bare wet ass. Right. Sweet little cherub. Well, in this songbook printed forevermore and to be sold, we didn't recall them. It said your lips are sweet and slippery like a sheriff's. bare red ass a sheriff bare red so they just so they just kind of like listened and took a swing and like guessed on what the lyrics were when they like could have gotten that image still haunts me like the idea of kissing a sheriff's bare red ass and forevermore i was like i will approve these things i will read them fucking email i will do all this you'll pay a little more attention maybe next time i'll pay a little more attention before we before we wrap up do you have any uh evan dando stories for us just i mean just firing a shot in the dark um yeah we hung out in the day and by hung out you mean as friends no there was no romantic how could you resist i have weird taste in men

I like it either works or it doesn't work. And it's instant. Go on. I thought he was kind of a crowd pleaser in that time period. He is a crowd pleaser. He's definitely a crowd pleaser. But I just, for me, it's either on or off. And it's very, very quick. And it's very permanent. Oh, okay. So during that time frame, who would be somebody that ticks your box if Dando didn't? In that time frame? God, you're looking. Okay, let's see. Of all the alternative hotties out there. Yeah, but you see what you're getting wrong is, like, I wasn't looking. That's not your thing. Yeah, I wasn't looking at that. I did what they did. Do you know what I mean? I would be more excited about an actor or I would be more excited about a writer or an athlete. I would not feel as that awe, that kind of like, wow. I wouldn't get my knees knocking for someone that did what I did, really. You're like, oh, you play guitar too? That's cool. Our hair's the same length? Can I borrow a rubber band? So you're more of a Matthew Perry girl. In fact, I was very interested to know how that book turned out because he seems like someone who could write. That's funny. I guess that makes sense. It's like you kind of know too much. I know they're bullshit. I know they're bullshit. We have the same bullshit. That's not exciting. Your tricks don't work on me because they're my tricks too. Right! Don't you have to be a little bit like, it's like with Twilight where he couldn't read her mind. I thought that was a perfect metaphor because that's who intrigues you. You're like, I can't figure you out, but you're attractive. That to me is catnip. I mean, I hope all the incels are listening right now. There's a lot of great dating. No, no, no, no, no, no. Now I'm back. Now I'm seeing Star Trek. when they go through the mine no galaxy quest when the mines are coming after them like galaxy quest are like going to the minefield and they're like bing bing bing bing bing bing bing bing bing bing bing bing bing bing bing bing bing bing bing bing bing bing bing bing bing bing bing bing bing bing bing bing bing bing bing bing bing bing bing bing bing bing bing bing bing bing bing bing bing bing bing bing

exiling in guyville i will be directing my incels toward your podcast don't worry don't worry they're already here sweetie don't worry uh exiling guyville uh 30th anniversary tour uh starts soon with actually friend of the show blonde shell opening uh we're big fans of hers too um and no we really appreciate you and thank you for for the music for the year all you know for the many many years we've been enjoying it for a long time i really appreciate it thank you guys so much of course we'll talk to you soon okay have a great weekend