451. - Chloe Wise

All right, this episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Stateside with Kai and Carter, a new podcast from The Guardian. And they are using this podcast to slow down the news and wrestle with the questions that we all have about what's happening in the world. And they do it three times a week, Jason. Does that sound familiar to you? We don't really talk about, you know, a lot of international global news items and climates and cultures and sports and things like that. We do talk about fashion and wellness, but for everything else, Kai and Carter are a great place. All right, so who couldn't use more news? Listen wherever you get your podcast. or watch on YouTube. I just rushed back to the beautiful Novus Hotel here in Stockholm after a delicious dinner. where I tried a new seafood dish I'd never had before with Yoakum from Our Legacy at a restaurant called Broad, B-R-O-D. Broad. They do little Michaela? Yeah, exactly. You've seen their little character before, right? But it was delicious. Sorry I kept you waiting for a couple minutes. How's it going over there? I need to know about this new fish dish that you speak of, Chris. Come on, let's get into it. I'm sorry. Yoakum was friends with a chef who was really nice, and he was basically like, Oh, this is kind of like a crawfish-lobster combo. It's like a Swedish thing. It's like a word that neither of you or I could say. Okay. Is it like a langoustine? Yeah, maybe. Maybe. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think you might be right. Yeah, and you have a little fork, almost like a lobster thing, where you dig it out. Pause. Mm-hmm. You dig it out. Dig it out. Nice. It was really good. You love to eat the langostino. Okay. It was very good. Yeah, it was very good. So you're getting adventurous out there with Swedish men is what I expected, but I didn't think it was going to happen so early in your trip. Well, I've had a long day of, yeah, I've been dealing with Swedish men all day, and I'm worn out. They have a lot of saunas there, right? Sauna culture is big there? Yeah, dude, I'm not exaggerating, so I'm not exaggerating. I went to visit Barclay at the Byredo office, which was fucking amazing.

But he was like, oh, our building has a sauna. And he takes me down to the first floor and there's a beautiful sauna and two showers that anyone that is employed in this building can use. Really? Yeah. They'd be doing it different over there. They'd be doing it big. I was like, damn, have you ever used it? He's like, no, I have one in my building. Really? So in New York, it's like if you're a multimillionaire, if you have... laundry in your building but in sweden it's a government mandate that you should have a sauna in every building exactly it's really impressive what is the downside of sweden chris do you have any negatives any cons cons spelled with a zero and an umlaut over it of course no but it was really impressive i was like damn that's really cool it looked very clean as well um But, yeah, I've had a long day in the motherland, but I finally return to the Big Apple tomorrow, which I'm sure you can't wait. Yeah, I can't wait because, you know, the time difference and everything, it's straining on our work, you know? Yeah, it's straining for me. I agree. Yeah, nothing is changing for you at all. But, yeah, it's a little bit strenuous for me having to cut luxurious meals short. Yeah, that part is a bummer for you. But, you know, just like, I guess, I don't know. I think it's a team sport. It is. And I'm the Shaq, and you're the Kobe, and I can't get everything done. I'm trying to win another. No, I know. I know. I'm trying to count ranks. I saved the story for you because I forgot to tell it the other day. So I was trying to get a fade here in Stockholm, and Barclay, who is black, was like, don't do it. He was like, don't do it. Barclay was like, do not do it. What does he do? Does he travel to a different country to get a haircut? He's dead ass. He's like, I just grow my shit out until I go to America and then I get a haircut. He's like, I don't do it. No way. I'm like, bro, come on. I mean, I don't think, I think he's being a little bit, a little bit facetious. Sure, sure, sure. But like, he's like, they don't understand the texture here. He's like, you'll probably be okay. Like all jokes aside, because you look like you could be Swedish basically. So you'll probably be fine. So I, I just Google it and I go to a barber shop.

and it's just me and this this this guy it's like a middle eastern guy who grew up in sweden and he's you know he's talking shit he's like americans don't understand soccer you guys call it or americans don't understand football you call it soccer you know kind of going in but he's pretty funny about it okay basic but yeah and he's like where are you from and i'm like oh i'm from you know i'm from i live in la and new york blah blah i live in west hollywood he's like i lived in west hollywood for a little while i was like oh really what What on earth were you doing there? He was like, I was working. Okay. I was like, what the fuck? You're a barber, bro. What the fuck do you mean you're working? And then he's like, yeah, I was a Vichy's barber. Oh, okay. So this guy, bro, this guy, first of all, the barbershop is in a train station, which is really common here. Okay. You know, it's nice and clean, though. It's not like, don't think New York subway. So I'm in this train station getting a haircut from this dude who's telling me about. i'm like so what did you what was the vibe he was like i mean it was great you know women drugs you know i did a lot of cocaine you know what i mean the whole thing and then and then i'm like well what why did you you know i didn't want to be like did you right dude did you stop doing this because avicii died you know what i mean and he was he was like i just couldn't handle it anymore so i i told i told him i i had to stop and he bought me this barber shop can't handle I mean, how much work are you really doing as Avicii's barber on a day-to-day basis? I don't think it's the work that he couldn't handle anymore. I'm going to imagine it's the cocaine, the American women. Exactly, the lifestyle. Having to go to Vegas every Friday on the private jet probably took it out of him. And I was like, what do you mean? Avicii was like, all right, if you're not going to work for me anymore, let me set you up. So he built this guy an American-style barbershop in a train station in Stockholm. Rest in peace to the god. Damn. So he was probably, that was a very, that's textbook of Ichi, first and foremost. But, you know, it's even more sad because you probably feel like he was like, yeah, I'm probably going to kill myself in like a year or so. So let me hook my barber up. Yeah, I can spend a hundred. Clean up some loose ends here and there. Yeah, yeah, I know. It's sad. But, yeah, it was interesting. It was a nice.

A nice celebrity, because I've also been talking to people here, and I don't know if you know this, but Pharrell is married to a Swede. I did not know that, but I see that happening. Part of the reason that celebrities love coming here is because... culturally they will not approach you or talk to you like like pharrell could be at like the hottest restaurant in town and no one is going to approach him or take a picture that's like considered no such thing as a stop and chat in sweden yeah it's it's very interesting and i was like what do you mean they're like yeah celebrities used there was like a period in the I can't remember what decade it was where Stockholm became very popular for celebrities because the women were beautiful, and they could come here and just kind of do whatever they wanted, and no one would bother them. Right. Like Thailand if you're fat. Exactly. Yeah, exactly. Thailand if you're fat and you like 16-year-olds. So, yeah, I've been learning a lot, and this is probably my favorite place I've ever been. honestly like outside of no way it's amazing dude i'm so pilled it's like it's the people are beautiful the streets are clean the food is amazing everything looks nice it's it's it's incredible it really is a special place i had no idea okay well there so you can't think of any downside i'm sure there's downsides i mean the people are not friendly i would say but like okay a country a country where a new york nine is working at the 7-eleven is a country I want to live in. You know what I'm saying? Nice numerical iteration there, very good. Yeah, of course. It's crazy. But no, I think the winter, it's obviously the middle of winter right now, and it's cold, but the sun's been out. It's a little bit of snow. It's just very, very pleasant. It's a very, very pleasant place. Okay, so since it's a place where nobody would ever approach a stranger who might be a celebrity or somebody they know... So that means nobody has ever – or you haven't had a listener of the podcast approach you yet to say like, oh, hey, I listened to How Long Gone Are You, Chris Black. That hasn't happened, obviously. No, no, no, no, no. Only for that pure reason of these – Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm like Pharrell. Okay. But the question is –

If this is maybe your favorite foreign destination that you've traveled to as of yet in your life, is there a situation where How Long Gone has enough steam over there to do a live show? I think we could at least do... Copenhagen and then just come over here for the weekend during the summer and take a dip in the lake. You know what I mean? Okay. Is that like literally or metaphorically? No, literally. The guys from the vintage store I was hanging out with were like, oh, bro, the summer. Enter sex. Yeah, they're like, I'm like, what do you mean this summer? What's up? They're like, bro, it's, I mean, you can just like, you know, everybody, like the attitude changes, like everybody loosens up and like is drinking outside and you literally can end the night jumping in a lake, like in the city, which seems pretty amazing. So it's just like Austin, Texas, but in Sweden, that's so cool. Exactly. There's no breakfast tacos. Like I would advise against ordering the guacamole here, but, um, and I don't know if, I don't know if there's a Dell. corporate headquarters here either, but I will say that drugs are apparently frowned upon heavily. Like if you smoke weed, you go to jail kind of shit. I know. Drake got arrested here for smoking gas. That was what PR wanted to spin it, but he did something more sinister than that. Yeah, definitely. He was definitely racing cars. Yeah, I don't know, man. It's been really something. I can't wait to come. I'm going to come back in the summer for sure. For sure. Okay. Well, this is great news, Chris. So I'm in Copenhagen. Excuse me. I'm in Stockholm. Jason is in L.A. We're going all the way to Manhattan to speak with a friend of the show, known artist, baker, cat owner. Known artist. And dater of very hot men, Chloe Wise. I'm excited. Who is joining us today to give us the ins and outs of what it's like to kind of sit alone a lot in a room and mix colors together, you know, and kind of think about life.

I think she's going to have a lot of insight for you especially, Jason. Yeah, I'm buckling up. I've got a cup of coffee here. I have a celery juice. My mind is clean and ready to go. It's going to be a crazy one. Buckle up, listeners. Let's give Chloe a Zoom. Buckle up. And we're going to get into all of that and more. All right. This episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Quince. Jason, the temps are warming up. It's getting hot out there. Summer always changes how I get dressed. I need pieces that feel lighter, more breathable, and they're just easy but still put together. I don't want to look like a slob. That's why I keep coming back to Quince. They focus on high-quality essentials that feel and look amazing. Breathable linen and soft organic cottons. Well-made basics but without the luxury markups. That rare balance where everything feels elevated. but still effortless. Yeah, Chris, linen season is here. I wore a linen blazer to dinner a few nights ago in the warm California sun. But, you know, you got that Italy trip coming up this summer and quality European linen pants and shirts. Upgrade that look starting at just $34. You know, if you get a nice linen suit, a little t-shirt underneath it, some chill shoes, you're looking good, but you're staying cool. The inside of your special areas are nice and dry as you turn up with your besties. So elevate that summer wardrobe. Go to quince.com slash how long for free shipping on your order and 365 day returns, even on a nice holiday now available in Canada. That is Q-U-I-N-C-E dot com slash how long. That'll get you free shipping and 365 day returns. Quince punto com slash how long. Oh, this is huge for me personally. This episode of How I'm Gone is brought to you by TaskRabbit. Oh, baby, let me tell you something. This is this is not a joke. I use TaskRabbit a lot because I can't do anything. You need some art hung? TaskRabbit. You need something put together? A cabinet? Got to reach that cheese grater on the top shelf? TaskRabbit. Anything you need, TaskRabbit can take care of it for you.

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Hey, I feel like I heard my name. Can I come in? Is this a cool time? Yeah, you can come in. I've been waiting here. Yeah, okay. Thank you so much. Girl, get in here. Can you make a door opening sound, please? Just to kind of like a creak. You guys are both idiots. Can I try that one more time? You can run it back. We'll do one more for safety. I may have stepped on it. Yeah, just another one, okay? Do you want to count me in? Door creak opening sound, take three. Korea. Okay, you just said the word Korea there. Now you're having fun with it and I like it. I'm actually allowed because I'm in Koreatown. And if you let me finish, I would have said Korea. And why? Oh, I see. You were just letting us know where you are, but we cut you off. We stepped on it again. Okay. Are you coming to us live from the studio or your apartment or are those two things one? Those two things are one. Oh, so you have a giant place then, a spacious Manhattan loft. I have a giant place. One of those, as they say, a live slash work. Oh, dope. Do you have walls, or is it a fully open concept? No walls. Actually, no ceiling either. Oh, sick. The whole city is my stage, my playground, in a way. I kind of consider the parameters of all of Manhattan for my studio. So, yeah, it's big. What do you do when it rains if you don't have a ceiling? Is everything cool? What do the birds do when it rains, Chris? I have a team that sort of handles that. A lot of umbrellas. If you can imagine, kind of like... the gorilla dance thing where they kind of enter from what seems to be staged left and right but this is from north south east west all of new york spinning umbrellas every time it rains your team flash mobs your house no matter what you're doing yeah my house asterisk you know new york wherever my location is this is good which is usually just right at the empire state building and then a bunch of umbrellas come and they you know i wouldn't say swaddle but they they make sure they

create a boundary between the rain and me. Like you were some type of terrorist or like drug lord and whenever danger is around, a group of people surround you and take a bullet if need be. Yeah, yeah, you could say that. But the bullet is rain. Yeah, it's rain. It's rain. The bullet is rain. Do you think there's somebody out there who's so... Are we recording? Let's take it from the top. We're actually just wrapping up right now. Okay, great. Thank you so much for having me. I feel like we covered everything I needed to sort of address, which is bullets are rained. Are you here to talk about, are you here to kind of air some stuff out? Are you feeling emotional? Like, what are you trying to do today? It's your floor. The floor is yours. Thank you. Thank you so much. I do have a floor. No walls, but I do have a floor. Yeah, I just wanted to address all of the rumors about that. I want to address the rumors and also the haters, of course. I kind of want to put you guys on blast. Yeah, the comment section of your Architectural Digest tour has been a crime scene. It just seems like they're having a hard time, all of those haters, and I wanted just to reach out to them and say, I'm here if you want anything to be transparent. Thoughtless. I can address all of those questions, and I'm here to answer. I would say more like a say-it-to-my-face vibe is what you're giving, but sure, you can make it. You can put it that way. Did you – well, I mean, Jason brought up AD, so just a quick sidebar. Did you see Lily Allen and David Harbour's Cobble Hill Home on AD this week? Nope. I didn't. Okay. Never mind. We can't cover it. It's a controversial style, so I wanted to see if you were going to – as a homeowner. What is the style? What's the controversy surrounding? I would just say it's very, very maximal, like British, like every wallpaper is printed, you know, every couch is a print, like everything is maximal, which we don't see a lot of. Are we talking floral? Are we talking like a brocade? The answer to that question, Chloe, is yes. All kinds of patterns. Yes, just yes to all of that.

I'm literally sipping tea and looking at my window as I said that. Just ingenuously. I'm like, good for them. Takes a sip of throat coke. Good for them. That fucking bitch. Are you singing? Are you singing tonight? Yeah, probably. It's like this in NYC every day. Just that. Yeah, exactly. You never know where the city will take me, which room of my loft, which is, you know, which bar I might end up at. Maybe I'll just sit at a piano and I guess unpack this. You're going to need to. I mean, you're going to need some time. You're going to need some time. Chloe, have you ever had a goal to or ever aspired to be on Architectural Digest giving a home tour? I think you'd really deliver it. Absolutely. I just wanted to say, hey, anybody at Architectural Digest, I'm here. I'm ready. I'm not mad that you haven't hit me up yet, but I am growing impatient. But yeah, hit me up. They're following me, of course. They're following me. They're following Jason. They're listening to the show. So I'm sure they're going to hear that. Do you consider yourself to be proud of your home interior design so far, Chloe? Yeah, I certainly do. It also creates a lot of stress, which I think is really hard for me. Go on. Because I moved in a year ago, and it's a very bizarre... layout. It's an amazing space. I believe it used to be a photography studio. It clearly hasn't been touched since the seventies, except for the minor tiny little renovations I've done, but I can't afford to do the actual renovations that it would need. So I'm just living in a very cool looking, bizarrely non-utilitarian kind of large, semi-open space. Looks great. You're shitting in a bucket though, aren't you? I am shitting in a bucket. Exactly. Exactly. Which is a beautiful way of saying I don't get a lot of sunlight in my bedroom. That's what that expression means, right? Yeah. But that's okay. That's okay. I didn't come onto this podcast to talk about my lack of natural light in my bedroom. That's what I will talk about on AD, which obviously I'm going to do. Yeah, you got to check in.

Give it 45 minutes. Yeah, exactly. I have Do Not Disturb on right now, obviously, but the second we rack this one up, which I guess we're nearing the end at this point, I'll be taking it to the easy stage to talk about my lighting, my natural lighting. Can I ask you a question about Do Not Disturb mode? Because I text people a lot for my social life as well as my professional life. And there's a lot of people that I get that do not disturb thing on, but it seems like it's on all the time, which diminishes the effect. I've never turned that on because I'm not a pussy. Can you explain what does that actually do? I cannot explain because this is quite literally the first time I've ever used it. And I just thought because I am very much new to Zoom. Headphones as a concept. And the email I sent you yesterday, which in which I was like, do I need and slash what are headphones? So no, I don't know what do not disturb is. I thought it might be, I thought it would be cute and appropriate. So which is sort of the goal. That's sort of my aesthetic, my aesthetic goal today. I'm trying to give cute and appropriate so that the comments section on this will be like, it's giving or it gave or it was given cute and appropriate. That being said, I have headphones, but do not disturb. I cannot explain to you. Chloe, you're cute as a button, but you're anything but appropriate. Oh, geez. Oh, geez. Don't go 20s movie star on us this early in the show. My suspenders are a bunch. Oh, now you've done it. We were just talking about on the intro, Chris is over in Stockholm and every building there, business, residential, you name it, has its own sauna in there. Does your building have one of those per chance? No, not yet. But I will be complaining next time. If I ever get invited to a board meeting, I will be complaining. I was going to ask you, do you have a position on the board? Are you the secretary or maybe the VP? Certainly not. I think I'm the one that is looked upon with suspicion because I'm young to be in this building.

Only 10 units and everyone's been here for quite a while. Okay. Have you made any friends? Have you made any friends with your neighbors? Maybe they like your paintings or something? I don't know if they do or don't, but I'm going to assume they do because that's how I'm going to get through the day. That's what I assume about everybody. That's my coping mechanism. So let's just say they all love my paintings. And my personality. But no, I did make friends with an amazing neighbor who's been in this building since 1975, which is so cool and crazy. And when I first moved in, I moved in around Christmas time, a thing I don't celebrate or partake in that heavily. As a known, as a known Jew, as a known Jew, you don't. As a known Semite. Yes. Yeah. Right. Although, although my research this past Christmas did illuminate a lot of the life of one Jesus Christ. who was obviously a known Jew. You can get to that. That's a whole other podcast, but yeah, go ahead. That's a whole other... That's like the side, the Patreon episode where we just unpack Jesus' life. If you want, we can do that. I have time. But I did make friends with a neighbor of mine who is 82, so freaking cool, has lived here since the 70s. He invited me into his unit because I got locked out of mine in nothing but Ugg slippers and a t-shirt because... Long story, I was answering a Craigslist. I had put a Craigslist ad out giving away some of my packing stuff. Somebody came. I locked myself out. I didn't have a handle on the door situation. Pardon the pun. And this neighbor came to my side. He came and saved me. brought me into his very cool loft that also hasn't changed since the 70s, and told me all about the history of how New York has changed. Oh, I bet. I'm not sure if you guys have ever heard that before, but apparently it has. Katz's used to not have such a long line, et cetera, et cetera. That's the main takeaway I took from that interaction. But yeah, so it's corroborated. Yeah, it's nice because when you have an 82-year-old person... invite you to your into your their home it's it's not as suspicious or as dangerous as maybe like a 23 year old tiktoker who's like oh yeah you can come in and have a kin euphoric and you're like yeah i mean i did a similar thing when i invited him in i was like do you want a lacroix lime or pamphlet mousse obviously knowing that i want to give them

guest slime and keep the pamphlets for myself. Also, I just want to make a footnote there. I was just being very generous by pronouncing those words in an American accent when I very much could have pronounced it in a French way. So I just wanted to point out how I'm done. French or French? French or French-Canadian? French-Canadian. Sort of a beautiful blend, like an international school-esque blend of both, but I am from French Canada. Montreal is not international school. Let's keep it 100. I know that, but I have kind of dulled down the spiky edges of that accent by being a citizen of the world, and I pretentiously got rid of that accent. It's gone. I also just am American as well. So I never really fully had that, the Quebecois accent, but I can turn it on when I need to. Did you go to like high school in Montreal? Yeah, I went to University of Montreal too. I only moved here 10 years ago. Oh, you went to, did you go to McGill, eh? Oh no, my dad did though. I went to Concordia. Although now we're doing Fargo accent. I don't know why. That's right, because Canada is Fargo to us, and I just want to make that very clear. But Montreal, I've been there a lot. And to me, I've actually never been there. Never been to Canada. I've been there a lot, and I think it's one of the worst places, maybe. Do you have that same feeling, or do you have a warm feeling in your heart for it? I'm sorry. No, I actually want to thank you for that honesty, Chris, so don't worry about... being completely rude to my native country. I totally understand. It is cold. No, I love your country. I'm not for the faint of heart. I'm sure you did plenty of coke at nightclubs when you were 16, and I'm sure you had a great time, but when it was time to go, you came to where it was better. I just want to point that out. Well, absolutely, yeah. You read my memoir, I guess. Yeah, I did leave the second I was of age to do so. 13. No, I moved after college. My mom's from Detroit, so I have American citizenship. Oh, okay, you really are dual. All right, you're living the dream. Yeah, I'm bi, yeah. Detroit? Yeah. So you're a round-the-way chick, too. I mean, did you spend any time in Detroit? No. Is your mom kind of like a badass mama? Totally. Oh, my God, shout-out to my badass mama, who I'm sure is not listening to this, but if I sent her a link, she would spend about two days.

trying to figure out how to click on it. Podcasts haven't got to Michigan yet. No. Well, she doesn't live in Michigan, but podcasts haven't gotten to my mom yet. Do they live in Florida? They are in Florida most of the time, yeah. They're between Montreal and Boca or Tone, unsurprisingly, yeah. This is a classic snowbird Canadian situation. Yeah, just to clarify, I am Jewish and Canadian. Yeah. Don't worry. We weren't clear on that. So thank you for letting us. All the pieces of the puzzle are fitting in together perfectly. What, at what age, Chloe, what age do you plan on, on eventually settling down in, in Florida? In Boca. Well, not retiring, but specifically in Florida. Right, right. Retiring in Florida. I'm 37, 38. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I found I'm getting very tan and I probably will not have a hard time fitting in with the tan wrinkly and oxygenarian. I'm inhabitants of the home. I'm probably the retirement home. You're about to be a leathery, leathery-ass bitch. Yeah. Oh, my God. I cannot wait. Do you go to Boca often? I feel like I would if I were you. In fact, I was there yesterday. I got back yesterday morning from a 24-hour visit to see my folks. 24 hours? What the fuck? 24 hours is a little... It's short. Who do you think you are, Chloe? I know. It's rude. It's rude. I know. It's rude. It's a long story, but I'm going to go back. Very soon. What's the name of the private jet pilot? Yeah, it's private jet blue. I did have a middle seat. Damn, it's like Twitter blue. Private jet blue is an interesting plan. I'll expand on that. So you took jet blue down to Boca for one day. Was it even warm enough to get in the pool or the ocean? It sure was, yeah. And I have a tiny little tan to prove it. And it was really nice to see my parents. Okay, now you're boasting. And I'm sure they were happy to see you. I'm boasting both. The shade of only a tiny, tiny bit of tan that I did get and being a nice-ish daughter. Nice enough to spend 24 hours there. So we can move on from that. Just a few more questions. When you went for dinner with your parents... Which Cheesecake Factory location did I go to? Did you hit Cheezys? We went to something that feels like Cheezys.

Is that an original, Jason? That was right off the dome. I don't know how I did it. Nobody does it like TJ. I just need to bask in that. Cheesies. That's powerful. We went to something called Matteo's Italian Bistro. It's the kind of restaurant that has... You know, like the name of the restaurant probably recently changed into all lowercase. And it's projected onto the floor at the entrance. It's sort of like an Olive Garden elevated so that, you know, all of the patrons, which are all grandparents slash my parents, which are grandparents age, same to their. visiting nieces, nephews, granddaughters, et cetera. Like, no, no, no, this is nicer than all of Gar... No, no, this is not that. This is not that. You got it all wrong. And it was really good. It was really good, but it was... Not that there's anything wrong with that kind of Italo-American family-style large portion. I love that. And it was very that. Yeah, you really strike me as... That's all we want. You really strike me as a large portion gal. You know, that's really what's coming across. Thank you. What did you get there, though? A simple caprese and a pasta? Was it a pizza? Was it a chop? What are we looking at? There was a chop. You got it. There was a chop that had quite literally salami or pepperoncini or something cut up into squares. Cubed is what we call that. That's what we call it, cubed in the business. Cubed. Like a three-dimensional square. Yeah, it was a cubist sort of chopped. Okay. And three kinds of pasta because I love the idea of splitting pasta as a mid sort of like between the appetizer and the main. Okay. Why don't we just get a dish of pasta? I mean, I'll get a couple bites. The guy, the waiter looked at me like I was crazy. And he was right because the portions are so big that even a small could probably feed, you know, a family of... Well, maybe three families, three or four families. And so we got an oriakete with rapini and sausage, which I love. Okay. A classic pairing. Classic pairing. Yeah, yeah. And like a vodka pasta and a seafood pasta and a chicken parm. And I can tell you the bag, the doggy bag of stuff we took home was too heavy for my parents to carry at their age. So I, yeah.

I'm so glad I really wanted to come on here and talk about the weird meal I had in Boca. I was just so hoping that... It's not that weird. Thank you for just hearing me. This makes me want to get back to America. People love to hear the little minutiae of things like this. It's calming and soothing. Yeah, that's true. You're a personality. That's what I want to hear. Yeah, and I have been told I'm really calming. Yeah, big portion and calming. Well, I'll have to make you calming in post. of course. How are you going to do that? Are you going to accompany my voice with maybe bird sounds or rain? He's going to chop and screw. I've been capturing a lot of field recordings throughout the week just to get ready for you. No, no, no. It's fine. I have technology for it. I don't mean to pull the curtain back on your glamorous lifestyle, Chloe. I do apologize because it does look good. When I see you, it's always some sort of... um event uh where you look great and you're feeling great you know and i'm looking okay and feeling okay um but but i just you know i just people need to know that you're just a regular chick you know you go you go hang out with your parents yeah that i had i did take a i did have a middle seat on a flight yesterday i did um and i think it's important that everyone knows that i'll say this if i if i saw you on a jet blue flight in a middle seat i i would do you a favor and ignore you oh Honestly, wow. You know what I mean? Yeah, that's nice, right? Thank you. Yeah, thank you. That would be... A courtesy ignore. Yeah, wouldn't put that on blast. What about if I had an aisle seat? Would you high five? If you were in Comfort Plus, I would come back and give you something. You know what I mean? Like give you a ginger ale or like... What if I was exit row, which I was? Oh, exit. Would you be like, okay, it's middle seat, but it is roomy leg room. Oh, burying the lead. Okay. You know, that does cost more. Yeah, you're changing your story. You paid extra for that seat. I didn't. I just didn't choose a seat, which I've never done before. I was just like, fuck it. I don't...

care. I was just living dangerously. You're insane. I like this. Yeah, I was just trying something new. Let's just leave it to chance and see what happens. And that's what happened. And look, this is really, it was tough. It was hardships that I will have to process while I'm singing at the piano at Carlisle today about my blue flight. No, I'm cheap when it comes to flights. I don't like paying for, I don't like paying for, you know, brief comfort that isn't comfortable. Unless like I'm never going to pay for business class. I'm just not going to do it. Sorry. Sorry to ruin the idea. I wish I had the same. I wish I lived like you. It'd be better for me. But unfortunately. Because of my size and stature, I really need to kind of lay down fully so that my shoulders are being squeezed between two pieces of plastic like a grape between your fingers. Yes. Yeah. They did do surgery on a grape. I have two things to say to that. One, if you want to be more like me in terms of travel, you can convert to Judaism. And I think part of that. Just naturally, you just become frugal about things like this. Oh, okay. I've heard that. Okay, I've heard that. Yeah, yeah. It is true. It is true. I thought this was going to involve a kosher meal or something, but this went a whole other way. Yeah, a whole other way. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sorry about that. Well, Chloe, what ways in your life do you get your splurge on then? Produce. Beautiful, beautiful answer. Love a nice produce. I was doing Natura for a second during the pandemic. Who is she? Natura. That's an app for getting farmer's market local produce at a very fucking crazy price. I once ended up with about $80 of puntarella, which is so hard to deal with. It's dirty. I didn't want to get into the difficult things I had to do to that. The manipulation of it. Yeah, so much work. But that and then what else do I? You know, slippers. I don't know. I'm not that paint paint. I love my paint. I got to get real nice paint. Slippers are just nothing fancy there. What's what's the paint brand? What's the Hermes of paints? OK, shout out to the paint brand Canadian from Montreal. Everyone needs to know everyone that dabbles in oil paint needs to know this is an incredible brand. Kama Kama pigment. They are handmade, I think, with walnut oil, which is less toxic and also so beautiful to work with. Gorge colors.

It's very incredible. So that's my shout-out. That's my promotional. And they don't give you any money or give you flow. You're not on Flow Team? No, and I wouldn't want them to give me anything for free or anything because I want to support them since they're in Montreal, and I don't think they're as well-known as some of these bigger commercially farmed paints. This is a boutique bespoke paint brand that I just adore. I have to just point something out. I just came about 40 minutes ago home from briefly visiting Keene's Steakhouse because dear friend of the pod, aspiring friend of your pod, Eric Wareheim, best friend of mine, is having a... I don't want to give away too much, but he does have a book coming out and is eating at multiple locations around town slash the country. American Steakhouses. For this book. Exactly, exactly. Didn't he just have a book come out? Can this guy slow the fuck down? Leave some books for the rest of us. You can't stop or slow genius. You know, you just can't. You just can't. You can't ask him to do that. But I will just. I wanted to bring a message from Eric. Okay. Uh, he says that high. Okay. And he also says that, uh, Jason, you are so very tall. And cause he's a very tall man, as you know, he's a six foot sevener. Um, the fact that you are taller than him in his words, um, makes him want to be held, swaddled, comforted, you know, he, he, he yearns for that. And he feels as though, if I may interpret his words, uh, he, you know, you should reach out to him and hug him. He wants to hug you. He wants to be held. He wants to look up into your eyes and feel normal height. And I think, if I may, you would. Probably love hugging that man. He's super huggable. Have you hugged him before? Well, we've hugged and embraced multiple times over the years. But I think this is sort of his way of... How long of an embrace are we talking? 35 seconds. 30 seconds is an eternity, Jason. I don't think that's true. That's long. I don't think that could be true. There's a little bit of a lower back. Well, because whenever we hug, it's always a strange... Lower back what? There's a little rub, you know, circular.

Counterclockwise, he likes it that way. I was actually going to ask which direction. But he always, it's a thing, I think I remember the very first time I met him a long time ago, and he was just like, wow, you're tall. And then he was asking me fitness tips and advice, and then clothing advice. He had all these questions for me. And I was like, oh, wow, this is so cool. Yeah, I mean, the big and tall male community needs to share resources. And I know I'm not part of that community, but I am an ally. Well, that's the problem is the resources. It's so scarce, the resources, that I don't want to share them because I did have to do the work myself and I don't want to just give away all the answers to someone willy-nilly, you know? Wow, wow. Okay, okay. I get that. Not that Eric is willy-nilly. Yeah, exactly. That was my next. I think that you should redefine willy-nilly when it comes to sharing your big and tall resources. I think it's totally, you know, your choice. You're being invited to step into that kind of sharing. And you guys should talk about. pants and hug that's all uh i would love to be there yeah but obviously you know it's between you um but i did just meet him at keen's at literally noon for steak and which is great i didn't have any steak but i did look at it you didn't you didn't have any steak you just you just went for the fellowship or did you have a piece of fish and some onion rings or something well i had i had some shrimp from the shrimp cocktail i had some of the wedge iceberg wedge love that some of the bacon oh yeah sip of red wine way too early in the day, put that glass down. It was literally at noon. And then I was like, I got to go back because I got to go pod. And that's when he was like, oh, you have to share this message. And I said, it's so funny because I just rushed here from dinner as well. I rushed here to pod from dinner as well. So you're in Stockholm? Yeah, I'm in Stockholm, yeah. Did you have a bunch of little tiny shrimp on a piece of bread? No, I had a delicious thing that I'd never had before. Those little shrimp really creep me out. Yeah, they're creepy. What was it called, Jason, what I had? He had a langoustine, I believe. Ooh.

If my context clues are correct. Yeah, it was delicious. There was some sort of sauce on top of it, but I didn't have... I believe in Swedish. See, I told you, Chris. Surprise. I casually speak a little Svenska. Have you been here before? Well, of course. Love it. Love it. The guys are hot. Oh, I know. They really, really are. Shout out to... to Scandinavians. I was telling Jason, I was saying this before. We're all hot. I literally went to the 7-Eleven and there's like a nine working at the 7-Eleven and it's just like, it's kind of, it's confounding. Well, they have 7-2-Eleven that work there. That's what it means. Oh, there's a nine-year-old working there? Yeah. No, 7-2-Eleven in numbers, in numbers. No, he means the rating system in terms of rating people based on their appearance. I don't use that system anymore. Oh, okay. So you're like a zero one? Yeah, yeah. He's a binary guy. He's a binary guy. Okay, so you're more non-binary. That's what this means. I guess technically I'm non-binary in this situation, which is a first for me. Wow, yeah. Okay, so Chris, you're a Swedish. Chris is a Swedish four. Would we say that, Chris? Oh, barely a four. Like these guys are, I mean, they're all in shape. my haircut by Avicii's former barber. He was telling me that guys here like to... Chloe's like, oh, how is Fred doing? Yeah, exactly. How is Johannes? He's so fun. Everyone there is a hot dad. It's crazy. Yeah, he was telling me that guys here like to have long hair because they think it makes them look rich. Rich? Yeah, because all of the rich... I mean, it's defined rich in Scandinavia because they have more of a socialist situation there where being rich just means being okay and having your stuff because you can't there it's like it's like a look down upon or frowned upon to have exorbitant amounts of wealth because yeah yeah you know good way of saying where they want everyone to have stuff and so they want it to be more equally distributed my friend i met today was explaining to me he's like yeah there's people here that are so rich and they won't like if they go shopping they either do it out of town or they make the they make them deliver it to their house later so they don't

they're not seen walking to the store on the street with bags. Wow, yeah. It's an anti-flex sort of civilization. There's a word for it. It's a no-flex zone, as they say. It's a no-flex zone, exactly. It's just like, I might say, just actually very cool. I think it's cool. There's a lot of Swedish words for things like that, right? Jentaloven. Yeah, jentaloven is the rules of the law of jenta. which I believe was written, I think it's like a... It's giving Jewish, that word. Yeah, I think the way I said it sounds like, yeah, Yenta, it means that you must love a Jew. Yenta lovin'. No, it's like a law that basically says like 10 laws for living that are essentially, it's like a philosophy or ideology that essentially amount to don't stick out more than anybody else or you'll be looked upon with suspicion. Don't try to stand up. Everything that you do should be for the team or the group or the us. Don't be individualistic. Don't be American, essentially. We live those laws. Don't ever get fat and don't be American. We live those laws of how long gone, Jason. We do that. We worry about the team. I think we kind of do that here in our business, but not in my regular life. It's hard not to stunt sometimes, Chloe. When you're podcasting, you're sort of living to the standards or ideology of... sharing and community and socialist sort of like a granola. Exactly. Maybe even a Marxist. I take away the granola. Maybe you eat granola, but you're kind of giving Marxism on the pod. But then in your normal life, it's more of like an individualistic, like every man for himself, every day for themselves, kind of. Okay, so it's a pod-specific... Yeah, it's pod-specific because... Yeah, we try to... That's something we try to do and kind of share with other podcasts. Why not be both? Yeah, and encourage them to do it as well because some of these guys are getting crazy out here. You know how it is. Yeah, I do. I do. Chloe, are you still kicked out of Instagram? Oh, no. Oh, my gosh. I was kicked out. I was. Thank you for... Wow. Thank you for noticing.

remembering and bringing up this brief trauma. What happened? Did you get kicked off the ground? I wish it was for something cool. I wish I got kicked off for being badly behaved or maybe even spreading some government information or something. But no, I simply was... It's either COVID or titty, usually. It was neither. COVID or titty. Yeah, I wrote that COVID's fake, bitches, on my... And I posted a picture that said also free the nipple and how she can go take a hike or something. It was the year 20. Well, that'll do it, Chloe. Yeah. And that's what did it. No, I just got, I just got robbed in Basel, Switzerland of all places. And I lost all my stuff and including my phone, including my wallet, et cetera. And so I tried to log in on my iPad to my Instagram to try to sort of. connect or communicate with anybody to try to find things and i tried my password and i tried so many times and it kept trying to do the two-step the the horrific injustice of two-step verification or authentication that shit's so annoying and it was believe me preach this also my adderall was my adderall was in that bag that was stolen so i was without a wallet, without Adderall, without a phone, unable to get into Instagram. You seem to have found the Adderall. This is the summer. So there was a whole week where I was without Adderall, without phone, without moisturizer. And yeah, it was hard for me. And yeah, it made me a better person, stronger. It just gives you perspective. Yeah, I got a lot of perspective of what it would be like to not have Instagram. And I was like, I don't need this. This is... Great. I actually really liked not having it. I had this sort of like... You're a liar. No, no, no. I felt amazing. I would look at my boyfriend and be like, you like that? Scrolling? How does it feel? I haven't done it in days. Oh, cool. That must be fun for you. Okay. I'm looking at the beautiful vista of nature. I'm actually picking vegetables. I was at the time because then we went to the south of France. And I was like...

I also didn't have Adderall, so I couldn't do anything. Stare blankly into nature. But I did feel very... I was trying to act like it was on purpose and trying to imagine a world where I'm that kind of person that takes a break. So you were in the south of France with your man, your beautiful man, and you didn't have a phone? So you had no phone, no wallet? No Adderall, no moisturizer. Okay, so you got crow's feet. You got nothing done. This is tough. I'm impressed with you. I'm impressed that you made it out because you look good. Thank you. But if you're going to be anywhere without Adderall, the south of France is a pretty relaxing place, I guess, right? Yeah, I was there doing a five-day residency. It was really short. And I basically walked to the farmer's market, got a bunch of gorge produce. Came back up, did some doodles, did my silly little drawings and doodles, stared blankly into the abyss, the beautiful blue abyss of the Cote d'Azur, and kind of whined. I whined a fuck ton. I just whined and whined. At a certain point, I gave up. I was like, this is horrible. I actually need a phone or something. I need something to work. Please take me to the local. the local appliance store. You guys got Verizon? I need Electronique. No, it's a tiny little town. You know what I bought? There was no Apple store anywhere nearby. I made my boyfriend buy me the U2 Red phone. That's the only iPhone they had. You got the Red edition? You can't write this. You can't write this. The Red. And I was just so mad about it, but also for some reason it felt like the right thing to do and it was so expensive and stupid. And then, I had to get a temporary French number, et cetera, et cetera. And after like three days when we left and I was going to Paris or wherever I was going, I was like, damn, I really could have just waited and got a phone at the Apple store. But I have this stupid YouTube phone that like doesn't work. It's kind of cool. It's kind of cool. Yeah. Well, the thing is when I speak badly about it, I'm like, wow. So I really hate.

getting back to charity. Like I, you know, I have to support, you've got to support Bono in his endeavor there. So we like charity, but we don't want Bono to be involved. I don't want that. You know, guys, the problem is, is that Bono being the face of red, um, unfortunately means that no one knows what red actually stands for or does. Like people don't even give it a chance. Yeah, exactly. I know it's bad, like nineties graphic design, but no one knows its actual function. So it makes it, it makes it hard. Well, maybe it's destined. for a comeback aesthetically because it is bad 90s graphic design but i could see like a red like brackets red like times yeah activation i can see that too that's a good call maybe i'm gonna can we just cut that whole thing i'm just gonna rewrite that i bought a u2 red phone and i actually love it it's so cool i think it's gonna be aesthetic sleek love the color red in general. Powerful. And yes, yeah, it's really powerful. I love, you know, scrolling and every scroll that I scroll is helping to cure. No one knows. What's red for again? That's my point. No one knows. Nobody knows. Nobody knows, but I know it's helping something and that's what matters. I would love to just see you like walking in like stranded in the middle of, you know, nowhere in a foreign country and you go into some a little like, do you have a phone? Like we have this red iPhone and you're like, And you have the Larry David moment where you kind of look and you refuse. I'm just going to write somebody a letter and say that I'm stuck in France. Two minutes later, I turn around. I walk back in there. I'm like, all right, give me the red. I'll take it. If this is all you got, I'll take it. So I have it in a drawer somewhere because almost immediately after, I ended up having a friend mail me my old phone and my Adderall. By mail, I mean bring in his bag because he was coming to Paris and I met him on a street corner for the sketchy drug deal that saved my life, iPhone and Adderall. And yeah, I will say I'm a bigger person after that ordeal. It was about seven days. No phone, no Adderall. Well, really quick, what happens to you when you haven't had Adderall for a week? Well, I am...

Uh, kooky. Yes. Uh, fun, loving, playful, annoying. So annoying. And, um, yeah, I mean, I'm just distracted. I have ADD and like the first few days off of it, uh, I'm sleepy. I'm taking naps. I'm a little napster. I'm taking naps during conversations. I'm taking naps anywhere. I'm just sprawled out, just face down on the ground nap. You lose all your mojos gone. And then I'm, well, then it comes in random spurts where I'm hyper and I'm silly. And it's not the right time for it or whatever. But then after a couple of days without it, I kind of get my bearings and I can paint or do things I like to do. But things I don't want to concentrate on, it would be very difficult for me to sort of focus on. Obviously, that's what attention deficit is. But when I'm on it, I'm woo. I'm yeah. I'm let's go. When did you start taking this? When I moved to New York, I didn't. I wasn't diagnosed as a Canadian youth. I was only, I realized that there was something up with my ability to concentrate when I first moved to New York because I would be, I had graduated, but I still wanted to read and apply myself to intellectual matters. And I would find myself so antsy in my pantsy. And I would get, I would, you know, my thoughts would interrupt themselves. I mean, you know, I don't have to define ADHD. I'm sure you know the deal. And then I started taking it when I was like 22. So I do know a life before it. Damn. I can say I prefer life with it. You're better off. I'm wondering if I should have taken it when I was a youngster, how my life would have changed. You probably wouldn't have grown to 6'10". You need it now. You need it now, bro. You can't focus for shit. I know. It's true. But is it too late at this point? What do you do when you can't focus? I feel like if you live in LA, you must do some new tropics shit. He smokes weed instead. It goes the other way. I know. He's a bad boy. I smoke weed, do the dishes, stuff like that. I hope you censor this. I want this to be family friendly. You do the dishes to... Yeah, if I feel like I can't concentrate on doing the job in front of me, I'll do responsible chores around the house instead of watching TV or something, which will put you in a little bit of a guilt spiral. Okay, wow. Is that...

Is that a wow? That's amazing. Yeah. What do you mean? Is that a wow? That is that is one of the more wow worthy things I've ever heard. Thank you. I guess I start cooking when I can't focus, which is wow as well. But I also start singing to my cats or I don't know, like spirals researching something so unnecessary on Reddit or something. Checking the weather. That's what a lot of anxious olds do as well. Yeah, I'd love to refresh that. How many times can you check this? Yeah, I'd love to... Refreshing the weather. Looks like we got a storm coming in. Yeah. Okay, mine's really different than that. Yours is, wow. Might get a little chilly tomorrow. It's very dad. Yeah. Just walk around telling people what it might be like tomorrow when you can't focus. Allegedly. Like, oh, I can't finish this chapter. I'm just going to go outside and yell at strangers that it's... Might get a little chilly later on around four. Get a sweater. I wouldn't be outside at four. Well, I also do cooking when I'm feeling like that. And I was trying to figure out why or like whatever the science or mechanics behind it. And I was thinking like I just need to I need to like do something successfully that takes. that has like a bunch of steps to it you know like yeah putting a lego thing together or something like that like yeah i just have to like have a have a w a thing that has a beginning and an end yeah you will probably succeed in that you can actually you know taste the fruits of i mean also sharing it with somebody where i'm like banana bread's ready i did a thing sourdough banana bread is ready that is a thing but i mean i got into really elaborate multi-step especially when I'm having a can't concentrate moment. It gets so much more multi-level for no reason, and I get to then congratulate myself by feeding it to somebody. Hey, babe, the baking duck is ready. Exactly. I've been working on it for 48 hours. I was like, I thought you had a deadline. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I did. I made this instead. I want to talk about your baking, though, because I've seen some of your culinary arts on the timeline. I've never gotten to taste any of your work, but what is your kind of...

What is your go-to bread style? Because I know that you lean into the baking. I've leaned into the sourdough. Thank you so much. I feel so seen. It's the focaccia. It is the focaccia that is my main. my main baking accomplishment that I'm proud of that I have gotten, I might say, very good at. And you are welcome to come try some. I love to make it, love to feed it. What do you serve it with? Just some salt and olive oil? It doesn't need more than just a little, exactly. It doesn't need more than just a beautifully room temp butter in a very cute butter dish. A cute olive oil in a little drizzling or pooling it all over and just dipping it right into there because it's real good because there's oil in the dough. Just so good. It's really oily. And salt. That's it. But it can be good. I mean, I've been making sandwiches. I've been making sandwiches with it that are so good. There's a good sandwich place here in L.A. called Breadhead, and they make their own focaccia every day, and they do a BLT on it. I tell you what, it'll knock your socks off. A BLT is so good on focaccia. I do hate that it's called breadhead. No offense. I'm sure it's amazing. But I hate, I hate like cute bakery culture outside of Scandinavia where it's just incredible and perfect. But I don't know. It's almost impossible to avoid nowadays, isn't it? I know. It's one thing I love about baking is that I don't have to do it. I just bake at home and it's so good and it feels so healthy. It is because you're using it with sourdough. I'm no expert, but I mean. making my own sourdough with the, with the water that's in my house and the bacteria on my grubby little fingers. It's like the, the, the regularity of it. I feel like my body is, thank you. It's not like, whose is this breadhead? Or is it like, Red bitches thought board or whatever. So, yeah. So it's completing the ecosystem of, of the bacteria in your house and in your body and you eat it. Yeah. You're eating your shit. It's all there. Exactly. Yeah, exactly. But I do love to do it. I think it's also, I think it's an ADD thing. I like to learn something new, get good at it, do it where it has steps that can finish. Because I think unlike painting, painting never really finished. I mean, it can finish, but it's not obviously finite. You can always go back.

and keep working on something and it can sort of like take place over the course of the day or in the middle of the night but i like that there's uh there's some sort of structure to cooking and baking that like it's open-ended if you can leave it for a few more hours here or there and get a different outcome but i do like the The structure of having to finish something. At a certain point, you're going to have to land the plane. Exactly. And that's what I say every time I take a bite. I'm like, land in the plane. Here we go. That's nice. Okay. When you go out of town, let's say you're going to go to Los Angeles for freeze art fair. Who's going to feed your sourdough starter? Oh, I don't. You ever think about that? Thank you. Honestly, you're so thoughtful and it's so considerate. I feel like not enough of my friends ask me. how my starter is doing, if it's been fed, if he's been fed. So it is a gender reveal. Gender reveal. His name is Greg. I just leave it in the fridge. It's so not a big deal. You don't have to feed it every day. It's just not even a big deal. It's just NBD. It's not a big deal. NBD. I'm the chill kind of baker. I was hoping that you would travel with her. Him. Him. Wow. Wow. Him. Greg gets a middle seat. Yeah, he gets in the middle seat. I could travel with him. When I come to L.A., I could easily bring you guys some if you would like to embark on a sourdough journey with a little bit of my starter. I would love some, actually. Okay. Because it's kind of like, where do you at? You've got to ask somebody for the starter, and I don't want to just walk into the bread bitches. It's too intimate. Well, you can. I walked into C&B when my starter wasn't doing well, when I used to live in the East Village or Alphabet City. And they gave me like a bubbling cup of it. Really? Got my little bicycle that I used to have and biked back home and did it. And then later that day I came over to them and I was like, I loved this feeling of like having a local bakery, like that, you know, feeling of neighborhoodness, which I do not have now that I live in K-Town. Not the K-Town of it, but the midtown of it all is very neighborhoodless. Sure. Neighborhoodless. Neighborhoodlessness. But yeah, you can totally go ask. They'll think it's charming if you do.

But if you ask a friend or something, I feel like it's too intimate. It's just like, hey, you're going to have some of that sourdough? And then you just imagine Patrick Swayze, ghost, arms around you, helping you mix it from behind. The good stuff. Yeah, which is what I'm offering. And then it's never really your bread. It's y'all's bread together. I guess you could say that all bread is y'all's bread. Damn. Don't do that. Now you're now my third. That's also the cute at the indie big shop I'm opening. It's called all's bread. Y'all bread. I hate this. Hey, next question. It's a little wordy, but I love it. I'm obsessed. Next segment. So you are coming to LA for freeze. You say? Yeah. Oh, great. Where do you normally stay when you come out here? Uh, I don't know. It depends. The addition. Oh, okay. Friend of the pod. Yeah, actually, yes. Yeah, but this time, I don't know, so I will figure it out. I'm Sagittarius, and I do not plan in advance ever, so I'll just figure it out probably the day of. Well, while we have you and you're coming to L.A., I didn't want to put you on the spot, but Jason and I are kind of looking to commission for a very low price kind of a portrait. in the chloe wise i can definitely show you in the direction of the venice beach portrait caricaturist um we were looking for something i believe it's west do you represent any of the venice artists yeah represent in the way where you know like you stand on a stage you go like i represent like representing Like this is for my portrait artist. I was thinking something because I've seen some of the work you've done of people I know, you know, and I do like that. I think it's cool. But I think that someone like Jason and I, we have this kind of business, you know, things are really starting to happen for us with this podcast. So you would kind of be getting in on the ground floor as the first fine artist to kind of be able to paint us. So it was just something I wanted to do. We'll totally put a picture up on the website.

Oh, you would do that? Would you describe it on the, on the audio, audio based medium of pod? Would you describe? Yeah. Okay. But we could, but what I'm saying is if you're, if you're coming to LA and you're coming for freeze, I'm sure you don't have that much going on. So we could sit for it. Kind of old school style. Cause I know I have to pay for this. What I have to sort of like, what's your rate? We could cover me. We could, we could, we would be willing. We would be willing. We would be willing to cover materials and transportation, obviously, and lunch would be catered. Okay, I do need an XL crayon box. Okay, okay, okay. We could do XL. What's that place I want the catering from? Earth Cafe? Okay, we could do Earth. Is that the graceful, graceful, I am grateful, graceful? Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no. What are you grateful for? This opportunity to paint us. Yeah, I just think. What are you grateful for? This opportunity. When are you grateful for it? I think because Chloe, you're doing really well. And I love to see like your career blossoming and how well you're doing. It's inspiring. But I just I think that we could help kind of just, you know, introduce you to a new market. That's all I'm saying. If you take it or leave it, you know, there's no pressure. No pressure. A new a new worse market. I am. This is so. generous of you, so big of you. I don't even know how to begin. First of all, I'm grateful now. I am grateful now. And yeah, wow. I mean, I'd be honored to spend the majority of my trip at Freeze gazing at you over a beautiful pack of freshly opened crayons and Earth Cafe. I know you usually use paint and you're trying to kind of sub us by saying you'll use crayons, but I actually think it could be a nice experiment for you and us. So I'm not even going to take that negatively. Okay. So don't try that bull crap with me. No, no, no. Traveling with paint is... Oh, yeah. Traveling with paint is tough. That's right. Traveling with paint is tough, but I could bring a little to go. Maybe like those little ketchup... that you pump into yeah yeah that's that's going to be your collaboration with this with your favorite canadian paint company you're going to be like guys what if you did this camera times heinz yeah yeah yes okay i see something here i see something here this is good yeah okay and i can get a little travel sort of maybe like a i could affix an easel to a razor scooter no no you don't have to do all this

You don't have to do all this, Chloe. We'll buy the materials. You'll show up to Jason's beautiful studio, which is a garage in Glendale, and we'll kind of just get you going. We'll get you set up there. It's not a problem. Okay, and I can paint you like one of my French-Canadian girls. exactly yeah in the news i'm i'm i will oh yeah i will do topless but i'm not doing hog out i'm telling you that right now okay what about what about like a back facing or like uh you know like a beautiful sort of sort of like i'm looking over my shoulder over the shoulder like uh like the angla's painting where you know the um yeah You could both be doing that. I'm pretty happy with my lats right now and my upper back as well. Jason, on the other hand, he's got a lot of work to do on his lower body. I'm going to need you to use your imagination with the way that my body is shaped. Okay. Okay, I'm actually seeing a bit of a mermaid sort of. Like maybe the tail. Yeah, that's good. That's good. Maybe it's like a really low slung beginning of the mermaid tail. sort of speaking to the very fashionable low-slung pant. We're seeing some hip bone. We're seeing some happy or medium-happy trail. What's the mid-ground of happiness? Like some content trail. It's an eye trail. Eye trail. It's an eye trail. Yeah, and we're seeing those blend, kind of becoming, emerging into a beautiful blue and green, boy-colored, of course, mask. very masculine colored no fucking pink shit all right yeah no fucking pink unless it was that real tree pink that real tree pink would be cute for this it could be a real tree men's um merman tail so each of you have a tail and they're coming together and they're forming sort of a heart shape i was thinking look i was there's an arrow this is valentine's day hey let me get through my vision if you don't mind there's an arrow shooting through the merman heart because it's like a valentine's day like a heart with a cupid's arrow through it and it says it says boys are back in town i mean how long gone valentine's day 2023 i want you to be able to get like i just i was hoping for something more traditional um but if that means i have to keep my shirt on i'm willing to do that like

I was kind of looking like the Ian Bradley work, something along those lines. I don't want bug eyes or anything either. I just want to look pretty cool. Okay. What do you mean by bug eyes? Jason has – Jason – no, no, no. I just don't want any of my extremities to be exaggerated in any way. Chris, are you saying that she's known to bug eyes out? No, no, no. I'm just saying. Okay, you don't want like a fantasy kind of mythological creature. Exactly. I'm saying she's going fantasy in a way that I need to bring her back down to earth, Jason. Sorry, that was the vibe you kind of gave me. I give you a merman vibe. Okay, okay. I didn't realize that. Well, Chloe, since I can't afford to pay you to commission a full size, like six foot. six footer oil painting how much for halloween to just avatar me just just make my make just like my actual body blew me up oh yeah i mean i definitely have a side hustle of body paint like face paint and body paint so i'd be happy to just come in there yeah it's not it's hand applied that's where you met all the venice guys exactly exactly it's hand applied pigment uh moisturizer mixed with a little paint and yeah i'd be happy to get in there um I am opening my bookings for Halloween of 2023, so it's good you get in there early. We're only about nine, ten months out. I will make the mistake twice. Do we have to go through your gallery, or is this a direct booking? Can I buy it out of the studio? This is a direct booking, yeah. Okay, I'm buying it. We're trapping out of the studio for Jason's Body Paint. Yeah, Jason's Body Paint is a direct DTC, direct-to-consumer. It's DTC. Direct-to-collector. Yeah, direct-to-collector. I'll throw a couple of toonies your way, of course. Oh. what a podcast with chloe wise what an amazing what an amazing did we start did we start we started we finished we did it we did a full hour chloe wise um thank you for talking to us on how long gone um guys chloe's paintings all joking aside are incredible i'm a big fan i have been for a very long time

Chloe, do you have anything coming up? Do you have anything you want to talk about as far as the work goes? Any plugs? Any shout-outs? Anything you want to let the world know? Yeah, guys, keep an eye out for my upcoming series of Mermen, podcasters as Mermen. So excited to finally show that to the world. No, nothing to plug at all. I'm showing it free. I'll see you guys there. That's it. That's all. We'll see you there. Thanks for having me. of course no thanks for thanks for coming it was a pleasure and i'll see you for we'll be there we'll see you um in la okay we're still location sharing right so you can just come so surprising yeah yeah i'll just i'll just come find wherever you decide to stay i'll just show up don't worry about me yeah don't don't worry about me i'll be there okay so see you soon all right thanks chloe bye guys